View Poll Results: Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I thought it was called crime in which you can swindle and do billions in financial damage and go scott free or hangout at the spa with bars in the windows for a couple years. silly me.
    Swindling is a crime, and such crime is not permitted in a free market. Socialism doesn't just prevent crimes like swindling, it prevents the freedom of people to trade. Trade itself becomes "cheating" in a socialist-authoritarian regime (which is, of course, redundant, because all socialism is authoritarian).

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Aaaaaaaaaaand our resident anarchist takes the bait. Even dumber.
    I didn't 'take the bait', his post was genuine, albiet, deeply misguided, nor do I have any illusions about disabusing him of his misconceptions.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Swindling is a crime, and such crime is not permitted in a free market. Socialism doesn't just prevent crimes like swindling, it prevents the freedom of people to trade. Trade itself becomes "cheating" in a socialist-authoritarian regime (which is, of course, redundant, because all socialism is authoritarian).
    A functioning socialist system would make such trade unnecessary. Or maybe it should be forbidden given that resources should be strategically allocated by the state. This socialism thing... so complicated.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by NGMN85
    I didn't 'take the bait', his post was genuine
    Sure you did, like you always do, you buy into their terms of the discussion, i.e. a completely ahistorical dichotomy completely divorced from reality.

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    Swindling is a crime, and such crime is not permitted in a free market. Socialism doesn't just prevent crimes like swindling, it prevents the freedom of people to trade. Trade itself becomes "cheating" in a socialist-authoritarian regime (which is, of course, redundant, because all socialism is authoritarian).
    The 8 hour work day is oppressive because it hinders the choice of workers to work as much as they want to support their family!
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    I thought it was called crime in which you can swindle and do billions in financial damage and go scott free or hangout at the spa with bars in the windows for a couple years. silly me.
    For libertarians, "freedom" means "freedom to cheat and steal"
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Swindling is a crime, and such crime is not permitted in a free market. Socialism doesn't just prevent crimes like swindling, it prevents the freedom of people to trade. Trade itself becomes "cheating" in a socialist-authoritarian regime (which is, of course, redundant, because all socialism is authoritarian).
    "Free markets" are a fantasy. They never existed and never will
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha
    For libertarians, "freedom" means "freedom to cheat and steal"
    Do you think the freedom of speech only extends to speech you agree with?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Do you think the freedom of speech only extends to speech you agree with?
    My words were clear, but if you have a problem with any of them, just tell me which one and I will post a link to dictionary.com
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Sure you did, like you always do, you buy into their terms of the discussion, i.e. a completely ahistorical dichotomy completely divorced from reality.
    This is an ideological difference. I am not a Marxist. I don't subscribe to Historical Materialism.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    This is an ideological difference. I am not a Marxist. I don't subscribe to Historical Materialism.
    It has nothing to do with historical materialism, it has to do with being entirely ahistoric. History isn't a set of experiments conducted in complete isolation, this is common sense, yet both yourself and everyone you are responding to can't seem to wrap your heads around that obvious fact.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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