View Poll Results: Do you think socialism could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way?

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    I love how the anarcho-syndicalist's big success story is a few misguided Catalans who unwittingly paved the way for Franco.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    In theory any economic system could succeed. Lenin's form of communism was perfect. But people found out how to cheat it. People learned they can stay home and still pull the same amount from the pot.

    BTW, I am not a communist

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by tcmartin10 View Post
    In theory any economic system could succeed. Lenin's form of communism was perfect. But people found out how to cheat it. People learned they can stay home and still pull the same amount from the pot.

    BTW, I am not a communist
    People are always going to "cheat." But it's only called "cheating" when you're living under an authoritarian regime. When you're free it's called "capitalism."

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by tcmartin10 View Post
    BTW, I am not a communist
    Too late we already know everything.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by tcmartin10 View Post
    In theory any economic system could succeed. Lenin's form of communism was perfect. But people found out how to cheat it. People learned they can stay home and still pull the same amount from the pot.

    BTW, I am not a communist
    Hence why it was not perfect...

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    People are always going to "cheat." But it's only called "cheating" when you're living under an authoritarian regime. When you're free it's called "capitalism."
    I thought it was called crime in which you can swindle and do billions in financial damage and go scott free or hangout at the spa with bars in the windows for a couple years. silly me.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Lenin's form of communism was perfect.
    WTF does this even mean
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Hes a commie, too, he thinks it was the best.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I love how the anarcho-syndicalist's big success story is a few misguided Catalans who unwittingly paved the way for Franco.
    It wasn't just Catalonia. Again; we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people, in a relatively modern, technological society, over a period of years. The Spanish Anarchists' didn't 'unwittingly pave the way' for anything. They were victims of unprovoked aggression by the Axis powers.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper
    Tell you what...I'll be fair. You show me any country even remotely successful on any level with any structure remotely related to libertarian socialism, and I'll retract my "all socialism is authoritarian" belief that I give ad nauseum.
    Dumb post is dumb. History isn't a set of experiments. Gipper apparently likes taking an ahistorical approach...to history.

    Quote Originally Posted by NGNM85

    Since you asked; the best, and largest example would be the Anarchist dominated areas of Revolutionary Spain, like Catalonia. It was a more-or-less fully realized, modern, technologically sophisticated Libertarian Socialist society of hundreds of thousands, over a period of several years. I’d also mention the Ukrainian Makhnovischina. Smaller examples would include the Israeli Kibbutzim, Denmark’s Free Christiania, and the Mexican Zapatistas.
    Aaaaaaaaaaand our resident anarchist takes the bait. Even dumber.
    "I do not claim that every incident in the history of empire can be explained in directly economic terms. Economic interests are filtered through a political process, policies are implemented by a complex state apparatus, and the whole system generates its own momentum."

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