I think it could
I think it couldn't
Which makes it impossible in America due to turnover. This isn't Japan where someone gets a job and stays there until the day he dies.
However, that's not the reason I asked. I asked, because I want him to explain how European countries are socialists. I have not gotten no response yet, apart from standard response. In fact I must say it is extremely difficult to get socialists to respond to anything they feel are uncomfortable. Had I said, socialism causes income inequality. I would probably get a long response, but if I mention some of the difficulties I just get insults and standard responses back.
So US is socialist, since large parts of the economy is socialized? Which country is not socialist under that definition?Read your last sentence. In the countries named, a large part of the economy is socialized. No one here has claimed that they are 100% socialist.
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And, as it has been mentioned several times in this thread, a large portion of the US economy is socialized
And again, no one is claiming that these nations are 100% socialist. We're just pointing out the absurdity of those who argue that socialism is dead or unworkable when a large portion of the worlds largest economies are, in fact, socialized
People seem to say this a lot and I am not sure why. A command structure designed to allocate for industries with market failures is not socialist. Just because something is a public utility doesn't mean it's owned by the public. It just means that a centralized bureaucracy is required to run it to counterbalance the potential for inefficiency.Originally Posted by sangha
definition of socialism from Oxford Dictionaries Online
Now, you are sidetracking. He never said large parts of Europe economy is socialized. He said Europe has proven the success of socialism. If it's going to prove the success of socialism, it better be socialism. I then ask you, is US socialist?And, as it has been mentioned several times in this thread, a large portion of the US economy is socialized
Having large parts of the economy being socialized is not socialism. Today's economies have proven the success of mixed economies, not socialism which has been a complete failure.And again, no one is claiming that these nations are 100% socialist. We're just pointing out the absurdity of those who argue that socialism is dead or unworkable when a large portion of the worlds largest economies are, in fact, socialized
Hardcore socialism, I very much doubt it, as it is against some aspects of human nature. Socialism mixed with capitalism to smooth over the rough edges of either system, absolutely. However, I am not sure how to answer because of the way the OP's question is framed.
Secondly, there's a lot more to the socialized economy of the US than public utilities (ie electricity, water, etc). There's SS, Medicare, and a host of other programs that are socialistic
2) Your claim that "If it's going to prove the success of socialism, it better be socialism" is your standard. IIRC, the argument is that capitalism requires some amount of socialism to succeed
And (again) the US is partially socialized
3) And again, no one is saying that it's 100% socialism. The argument is that it's foolish to claim that socialism is dead when a large portion of the worlds largest economies are socialized. Your claim that socialism is a complete failure is proven untrue by the facts.