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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Uhh, that is the definition.
    It's were workers own and control the means of production.

    You don't know what socialism is.
    Your arguments have thus far been like those conservatives, who call Obama a socialist at every turn.
    We're all "the workers". That's the point. No one gets left in the cold. Also, Marx is not the be-all end-all of socialism. Theories can evolve over a century, you know? We don't do democracy anything like they did two centuries ago.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Well Adolf Hitler was a socialist and obama is in the same vein dude. He's more of a modern age Hitler. I thought it was hilarious that people called me racist for not voting for him yet voting for him because he is black isn't racist? Just a thought.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    As long as people want to be treated as adults then no it won't work.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuCiFeRsHaL0 View Post
    Well Adolf Hitler was a socialist and obama is in the same vein dude. He's more of a modern age Hitler. I thought it was hilarious that people called me racist for not voting for him yet voting for him because he is black isn't racist? Just a thought.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    About 22 years ago socialism gave up and started disintegrating. Do you think it could have succeeded if capitalism wasn't standing on the way? You know, if capitalism didn't oppose and let it be?

    I think socialism could have easily succeeded if it had only incorporated the more positive aspects of capitalism.

    For example: Competition

    The USSR and other socialist nations should have bifurcated their bureaucratic agencies and had them compete against each other for quality control, efficiency, etc. Wages and bonuses could have been distributed accordingly.

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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    We're all "the workers". That's the point. No one gets left in the cold. Also, Marx is not the be-all end-all of socialism. Theories can evolve over a century, you know? We don't do democracy anything like they did two centuries ago.
    Yea I know they evolve.
    What sangha erroneously refers to as socialism, is actually economic fascism.
    That's the evolution.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Then why are teachers unionized?
    If they "owned" it, they wouldn't have a reason to unionize.
    To be fair, the public school system is publicly owned. So the teachers do technically own the public institutions as they are a part of the community too. It's not a self managed, democratically operated system, but it is publicly owned.

    They're unionized to protect themselves from the authority of the state and the management of the institution. The management doesn't own the school. Granted that it isn't a charter school, the state owns the school.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    As long as people want to be treated as adults then no it won't work.
    Get back to work or you're going to get a time out!
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    To be fair, the public school system is publicly owned. So the teachers do technically own the public institutions as they are a part of the community too. It's not a self managed, democratically operated system, but it is publicly owned.

    They're unionized to protect themselves from the authority of the state and the management of the institution. The management doesn't own the school. Granted that it isn't a charter school, the state owns the school.
    So then it defies the definition of socialism, as the teachers would not need a union to protect themselves, if it were actually owned and controlled by the public.
    The closest it could possibly be is state socialism, not democratic socialism.
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    Re: Socialism could have succeeded?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    So then it defies the definition of socialism, as the teachers would not need a union to protect themselves, if it were actually owned and controlled by the public.
    The closest it could possibly be is state socialism, not democratic socialism.
    The public isn't limited to just the teachers, if it were, the teacher unions would be obsolete. If only the teachers owned the institution and not the entire community, there would be no need for the unions. However, as the state owns the institutions, the unions act as a collective defense on behalf of the workers. If there were no unions, it wouldn't be democratic, the state would simply call the shots regardless of the will of the teachers.
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