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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Are all races capable of the same achievements as others? My answer is yes.
    so an eskimo can train and run a marathon as fast as a kenyan?
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    ...and how do you compensate for bias in the measurement tool?
    oh yeah, any time any group does worse than some other group the blame always goes to bias in the measurement tool.
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    There is so much wrong with this statement. What is the metric that you're using to reach the conclusion that the differences are insignificant? That's nothing more that a ideological declaration because you've given no reasoning to support that conclusion. The same criticism applies to your classification of "gene pool variations" being minor. Minor by what standard when the presence or absence of one gene variant can be the difference between suffering a debilitating disease and leading a normal life? Then there is the tautological nature of your opening argument, that's like saying, "the feather doesn't weigh much, as one would expect given the low weight of a feather."

    Then you invoke the red herring of noting that races are not the same as species. This has nothing to do with anything. You seem to imply that differences only matter when they exist across cross-species boundaries. Why draw such a distinction? There is a world of difference between the Xhosa and Ashkenazi Jews when it comes to Tay-Sachs disease and clearly these two population groups are not from different species.

    All non-Africans are the product of Neandthal and some Denisovan introgression. That's pretty damn significant in terms of genetic diversity.



    You need to read the literature more carefully:

    Jensen (1998b, pp. 369–379) summarized 17 independent data sets of nearly 45,000 Blacks and 245,000 Whites derived from 149 psychometric tests and found that the g loadings consistently predicted the magnitude of the mean Black–White group difference (r = .62, p < .05). This was borne out even among 3-year-olds administered eight subtests of the Stanford–Binet in which the rank correlation between g loadings and the mean Black–White group differences was .71 (p < .05; Peoples et al., 1995).
    You realize that at best the paper you present is controversial, at worst it is seen as faulty?
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so an eskimo can train and run a marathon as fast as a kenyan?
    Yes, if that is what they desired to happen. No, not just any old eskimo is going to run as fast as a Kenyan but it's not important to them so they do not train to run fast. It's been argued in the past that blacks couldn't play QB or golf. Someone is always going to be the fastest. If it was the desire of Eskimo kids to run the 100, sooner or later a few of them (not all Kenyan's run fast) would be competitive.

    There isn't much desire to run the 100 in Eskimo culture.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Discussion in another thread gave rise to this poll.

    Simply, do you think evolution, with it's supposed changing of humans, left mental and physical competence equal among all races? I ask because I haven't been given much if any empirical proof or valuable evidence for either side. I, for one, am highly suspicious of the notion that evolution left all races equally intelligent. So I'm left to question each side.

    Do the Chinese have an overall higher intelligence than, say, Aboriginees of Australia? Looking at history, I can see that certain races advanced far faster than other races. All humans can almost be treated like a bacteria, with different strains of the same virus, what with the way we've spread.

    Do you think evolution, with it's "magical" ability to cause people to vary from physical features and skin color, change everthing save mental competence? If mental competence wasn't touched in the slightest so that all races are equally intelligent, do you think physical prowess was also untouched in the slightest? What other things do you think political correctn---ehm, evolution, decide to leave equal?

    Please support your claims with evidence otherwise this'll just be a repeat of the other thread.

    EDIT: "Ye" is "yes". Confound you, Computer.
    I am going to take your example here.

    I assume you chose the Chinese because they are a developing civilization and appear to be quite intelligent, and I also assume you chose the Aboriginees of Australia because they appear to do nothing but play with rocks or something like that (no heavy thinking).

    If you take a chinese newborn and take him to live with the Aboriginees and you take a baby from Austrailia and raise him in China, what will the outcome be?

    I think intelligence is fostered and groomed from day one, and if you are in a society like China, where you need a strong brain to survive, the child will come out smarter and able to solve problems.

    If all you teach the child to do is gather food and fight, I don't think he will do very well with a spelling test.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You realize that at best the paper you present is controversial, at worst it is seen as faulty?
    The American Psychological Association devoted an entire issue of that journal to this question and brought together the most prominent researchers for this "battle of hypotheses" and let them go at each other. Read the paper, read the criticisms and read the responses to the criticisms.

    Your calorie-free pronouncement doesn't convey any information. Who cares if YOU think it is faulty? Your assertion of this opinion carries as much weight as someone saying that the moon is made of cheese.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Yes, if that is what they desired to happen. No, not just any old eskimo is going to run as fast as a Kenyan but it's not important to them so they do not train to run fast. It's been argued in the past that blacks couldn't play QB or golf. Someone is always going to be the fastest. If it was the desire of Eskimo kids to run the 100, sooner or later a few of them (not all Kenyan's run fast) would be competitive.

    There isn't much desire to run the 100 in Eskimo culture.
    Dammit, some one stole my answer again. I was working up to a Cool Runnings answer. I am going to use it anyway, cuz I like it.

    Why do Norway, Sweden, Canada and theSoviets tend to excell at winter athletics, while Jamaica doesn't(see the Cool Runnings reference?)? Is it genetic, or is it simply because the culture of one area emphasizes those sprots for obvious reasons, while Jaimaca, also for obvious reasons, doesn't?
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    so an eskimo can train and run a marathon as fast as a kenyan?
    If the body shape and physical conditioning is the same, why wouldn't the eskimo run the same time as the Kenyen?

    Are people from Africa created differently genetically? Maybe it is because they run from the time they are very young and it keep their bodies in great condition.

    Why would you ask the question like it is not possible?

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The American Psychological Association devoted an entire issue of that journal to this question and brought together the most prominent researchers for this "battle of hypotheses" and let them go at each other. Read the paper, read the criticisms and read the responses to the criticisms.

    Your calorie-free pronouncement doesn't convey any information. Who cares if YOU think it is faulty? Your assertion of this opinion carries as much weight as someone saying that the moon is made of cheese.
    Reading comprehension check: I did not say I thought it was faulty(I do not have the knowledge to judge it). I said that it was controversial, and considered by many to be faulty. This is something your post did not mention nor address. Presenting something controversial among experts on the topic as fact is somewhat dishonest, though I gave you the benefit of the doubt and asked if you where aware of the problem.
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Dammit, some one stole my answer again. I was working up to a Cool Runnings answer. I am going to use it anyway, cuz I like it.

    Why do Norway, Sweden, Canada and theSoviets tend to excell at winter athletics, while Jamaica doesn't(see the Cool Runnings reference?)? Is it genetic, or is it simply because the culture of one area emphasizes those sprots for obvious reasons, while Jaimaca, also for obvious reasons, doesn't?
    Absolutely. Culture is the defining factor, not evolution. Placed in a different culture and Usain Bolt might be a great ski jumper.

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