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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    What exactly would various different groups of people be more or less competent at? There is no such thing as general competency at life. Unless you are dealing with a person with serious brain damage, then a person would have a certain set of strengths and weaknesses. I have no idea how to evaluate general adeptness. Is it in terms of population? I guess Asians are winning, then. Their genetic differences are more prevalent, and thus apparently better. Is it in terms of wealth? How about the ability to not get melanoma? Other than climate adaptation, our racial differences are basically nil. There are simply no side effects of race besides this one thing.

    This question is not specific enough.
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Wow, 8 pages and only 4 votes?

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Wow, 8 pages and only 4 votes?
    The question has significant flaws, which most people recognized.
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The question has significant flaws, which most people recognized.
    Seems pretty staight forward to me.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    Seems pretty staight forward to me.
    Define race, and how do you measure mental and physical competence?
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    ...and how do you compensate for bias in the measurement tool?
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Define race, and how do you measure mental and physical competence?
    I don't know that it has to be defined. Or even measured. Are all races capable of the same achievements as others? My answer is yes.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The differences are insignificant, as one would reasonably expect given extremely minor gene pool variations. Different races are not remotely the same thing as different species.
    There is so much wrong with this statement. What is the metric that you're using to reach the conclusion that the differences are insignificant? That's nothing more that a ideological declaration because you've given no reasoning to support that conclusion. The same criticism applies to your classification of "gene pool variations" being minor. Minor by what standard when the presence or absence of one gene variant can be the difference between suffering a debilitating disease and leading a normal life? Then there is the tautological nature of your opening argument, that's like saying, "the feather doesn't weigh much, as one would expect given the low weight of a feather."

    Then you invoke the red herring of noting that races are not the same as species. This has nothing to do with anything. You seem to imply that differences only matter when they exist across cross-species boundaries. Why draw such a distinction? There is a world of difference between the Xhosa and Ashkenazi Jews when it comes to Tay-Sachs disease and clearly these two population groups are not from different species.

    All non-Africans are the product of Neandthal and some Denisovan introgression. That's pretty damn significant in terms of genetic diversity.

    On the intelligence issue you raise, I am not aware of even a single credible study that shows a statistically significant difference.
    You need to read the literature more carefully:


    Jensen (1998b, pp. 369–379) summarized 17 independent data sets of nearly 45,000 Blacks and 245,000 Whites derived from 149 psychometric tests and found that the g loadings consistently predicted the magnitude of the mean Black–White group difference (r = .62, p < .05). This was borne out even among 3-year-olds administered eight subtests of the Stanford–Binet in which the rank correlation between g loadings and the mean Black–White group differences was .71 (p < .05; Peoples et al., 1995).

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    ...and how do you compensate for bias in the measurement tool?
    Stop stealing my planned arguments dammit!

    By the way, has any one here read Guns, Germs and Steel? While it is not without flaws, it puts forward an interesting theory on why certain civilizations advanced faster than others.
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Then you invoke the red herring of noting that races are not the same as species. This has nothing to do with anything.
    That fact doesn't have anything to do with evolution? Interesting.

    Please explain.

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