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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Isnt this just one of a few epistemological stances? I dont quite remember.

    Also race is a cultural conception.

    Once again, I can't wait to see this ****.
    See? That's another good question.

    I don't have the answer but I'd like to hear your thoughts and the thoughts of others about it.
    Last edited by Wake; 09-15-11 at 03:40 PM.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    There's no fallacy in asking if evolution did or did not affect the mental or physical capability of all races.

    To say that's fallacious is to say that all questions of dubious scientific background are fallacious.
    What genetic parameters would you use to distinguish between races? Which races are actual races?
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    link please, I have argued no such thing
    Poll: Is it OK for Blacks to Bash Whites for Comedy Purposes #258 and there are other posts within that thread expressing the same sentiment.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    There's no fallacy in asking if evolution did or did not affect the mental or physical capability of all races.

    To say that's fallacious is to say that all questions of dubious scientific background are fallacious.



    Not sure where my question suddenly changed its meaning.
    It creates equivocation when you refuse to define it because race is an ambiguous term. Wehn you say "all races" is an adequate limitation, you are saying Humanity is an adequate definition of race.

    Furthermore, see my edit to that post.

    If you wish to limit the descriptions to the source you used earlier, though the fallacy youare guilty of is:

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    No, it doesn't, in regards to me.

    I ask the question because I don't know and obviously don't have all of the data regarding it.

    Ergo, I ask here because all ya'll are the supposedly intelligent and argumentative type.

    I can help in trying to answer the question, but don't think I'm going to have all the answers because that's not the nature of the inquisitive one who doesn't know.
    As is already covered, we have no adequate way to measure this or determine the relative intelligence of the races. Noone has the answers, if we cannot measure it in any accurate way we cannot even confirm whether it does or does not exist.

    Having said that.. in theory isolated populations can acquire traits inherently selected within that group that would infer a survival advantage within that group or environment. So different groups could theoretically attain a different type of intelligence. Hypothetically one group may gain an advantage for intuitive thinking necessary to reach quick decisions in a rapidly changing environment (solo hunting in a jungle perhaps), while another group somewhere else may develop a better knack for for planning and foresight -a more methodical analytical intelligence - (perhaps a group that would need a well planned organized hunting strategy.. such as an Eskimo whale hunt). Now these are just random examples, and in no way reflect what may or may not be reality, I do not know. This also brings us back to the problem that we have no way to accurately measure any slight variations there may or may not be in a broadly categorized definition of intelligence, yet alone to accurately measure variations in a specific type of intelligence.

    So the answer is we do not know for sure, we have no way of telling, but given different environments and different pressures evolutionary processes can cause this to occur. We have not had any "races" isolated long enough for such pressures to manifest themselves sufficiently for us to even be able to measure them.

    This is further compounded by the immense degree of variations in intelligence within any given group. It is easy to isolate and measure something such as melanin level where there is very little variation within a population. When you are talking intelligence any given sample can have a range that varies from imbecile to genius - and even the supposed imbeciles could in fact have aspects of intelligence that could easily be construed as being genius themselves (ie: idiot savants), while a genius could be rock dumb when it came to common sense or intuition.
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    please look up the definition of strawman. I have never made that arguement.
    Well, then explain to me how it is that slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, disparities in educational opportunities and other environmental factors have not impacted our measures of intelligence amongst African Americans.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Poll: Is it OK for Blacks to Bash Whites for Comedy Purposes #258 and there are other posts within that thread expressing the same sentiment.
    sorry, but methinks you are misinterpreting or misrepresenting my sentiments
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by RStringfield View Post
    Well, then explain to me how it is that slavery, Jim Crow, discrimination, disparities in educational opportunities and other environmental factors have not impacted our measures of intelligence amongst African Americans.
    according to you they haven't...we are all equal.

    you can't have it both ways. can't blame black failure on slavery and then cry that environment doesn't affect IQ.

    FWIW, my "sentiment" isn't that black failure is due to a lack of IQ, it's due to a lack of motivation. they are intelligent enough to succeed, many of them just choose not to. there is a difference.
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It creates equivocation when you refuse to define it because race is an ambiguous term. Wehn you say "all races" is an adequate limitation, you are saying Humanity is an adequate definition of race.

    Furthermore, see my edit to that post.
    I view race as a set of people with similar physical features, etc. Though, after googling a few definitions, I could wonder over it a bit more.Race (classification of humans) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I did not think "race" could be considered by others to be such an ambiguous word.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    you can't have it both ways. can't blame black failure on slavery and then cry that environment doesn't affect IQ.
    Environment does affect IQ. Saying that isn't the same thing as saying IQ is affected by environment the same way that evolution is affected by environment.

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