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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    what I always find amusing is that people have no problem admitting that environment has affected physical evolution, but if you dare suggest that environment might have affected mental evolution you are suddenly a flaming racist.
    I've successfully discussed this numerous times with no fire-back . . . I think it's a matter of approach and tact.

    It's always important to emphasize 'differences' - and when noting differences that are a perceived negative you must pair it with a perceived positive.

    Just like comparing siblings - "Jon is superior with math skills though finds he struggles with creativity. Lindsay has excelled with her creativity in art class yet struggles in english"

    same thing.
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I agree it's the best we have - it's just not without flaws as you've already pointed out. I personally think that we'll never really get the issue resolved completely until environmental factors are equal - which, at best, will take a long time if that ever happens.
    Testing has Already taken into consideration socioeconomic/environmental factors.
    Beyond that we have the Trans-racial adoption studies. Tests remain consistent across continents and circumstance.
    What's left?
    Can Liberals come to grips?
    Here's One who Has.
    From the very Liberal Slate.com, 2007.

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    Race, genes, and intelligence. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine

    "...I wish these assurances were true. They aren't. Tests DO show an IQ deficit, not just for Africans relative to Europeans, but for Europeans relative to Asians. Economic and cultural theories have failed to explain most of the pattern, and there's strong preliminary evidence that part of it is genetic. It's time to prepare for the possibility that equality of intelligence, in the sense of racial averages on tests, will turn out Not to be true.

    If this suggestion makes you angry—if you find the idea of genetic racial advantages outrageous, socially corrosive, and unthinkable—you're not the first to feel that way. Many Christians are going through a similar struggle over evolution. Their faith in human dignity rests on a literal belief in Genesis. To them, evolution isn't just another fact; it's a threat to their whole value system. As William Jennings Bryan put it during the Scopes trial, evolution meant elevating "supposedly superior intellects," "eliminating the weak," "paralyzing the hope of reform," jeopardizing "the doctrine of brotherhood," and undermining "the sympathetic activities of a civilized society."

    The same values—equality, hope, and brotherhood—are under scientific threat today. But this time, the threat is racial genetics, and the people struggling with it are Liberals.
    Evolution forced Christians to bend or break. They could insist on the Bible's literal truth and deny the facts, as Bryan did. Or they could seek a subtler account of creation and human dignity. Today, the dilemma is yours. [u]You can try to reconcile evidence of racial differences with a more sophisticated understanding of equality and opportunity[u]. Or you can fight the evidence and hope it doesn't break your faith.

    I'm for reconciliation. Later this week, I'll make that case. But if you choose to fight the evidence, here's what you're up against. Among white Americans, the average IQ, as of a decade or so ago, was 103. Among Asian-Americans, it was 106. Among Jewish Americans, it was 113. Among Latino Americans, it was 89. Among African-Americans, it was 85. Around the World, studies find the same general pattern: whites 100, East Asians 106, sub-Sarahan Africans 70. One IQ table shows 113 in Hong Kong, 110 in Japan, and 100 in Britain. White populations in Australia, Canada, Europe, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States score closer to one another than to the worldwide black average. It's been that way for at least a century.
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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    Testing has Already taken into consideration socioeconomic/environmental factors.
    Beyond that we have the Trans-racial adoption studies. Tests remain consistent across continents and circumstance.
    What's left?
    Can Liberals come to grips?
    Here's One who Has.
    From the very Liberal Slate.com, 2007.

    Liberal Creationism
    By William Saletan
    Nov. 18, 2007
    Race, genes, and intelligence. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine
    ...I never disputed the existence of IQ differences...

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    This question is still left unanswered.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    This question is still left unanswered.
    Maybe for you it is.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Maybe for you it is.
    Doubt is an unpleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    This question is still left unanswered.
    the question has been answered several times.

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Doubt is an unpleasant condition, but certainty is absurd.
    Which is why it was absurd for you to say "This question is still left unanswered.".

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Which is why it was absurd for you to say "This question is still left unanswered.".
    Not so. From the very beginning I had a question that I knew could never be certainly answered, currently.

    Philosophically, I'd like to find the answer that makes most sense. Scientifically, there may, in fact, be a certain answer. Who knows?

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    Re: Did evolution leave all races equal in terms of mental and physical competence?

    My question is this: what is the motivation & the agenda of attempting to suggest or prove that one race is intellectually inferior to another?

    what is the end game? what are we really getting at here?

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