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    Should it be a parental right not to vaccinate your kids?

    Since vaccinations seem to be a contentious issue among some religious and social conservatives, do you believe that vaccinating your kids should be a requirement for residency in a state or country due to public health reasons, or should it be a up to the parents because its a parental rights issue?
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    Re: Should it be a parental right not to vaccinate your kids?

    If you choose to forgo vaccinations for any reason you should sign a waiver stating you will pay all medical bills at 100% of their value (no insurance/government subsidies) for any illnesses incurred as a result of avoiding that vaccination.
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    Re: Should it be a parental right not to vaccinate your kids?

    So far as I'm concerned it's a parental rights issue. I know my brother and sister-in-law had a number of fights with the pediatrician for their children over certain innoculations. On the other hand, I also support the right of a public school system and any private daycare, school, etc.... to say "Your child must have X, Y, Z in order to come into this facility."

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    Re: Should it be a parental right not to vaccinate your kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    If you choose to forgo vaccinations for any reason you should sign a waiver stating you will pay all medical bills at 100% of their value (no insurance/government subsidies) for any illnesses incurred as a result of avoiding that vaccination.
    The problem with that is that in many cases such a waiver would be worthless as medical bills could easily add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a serious illness, and thus few people would have the ability to pay. Moreover, there is also the issue of public health. For example, you can infect someone with measles that is up to 100 feet from you. If you were to come into contact with a baby and you had measles, you could pass the infection on to the infant if they had not yet been vaccinated for it themselves.
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    Re: Should it be a parental right not to vaccinate your kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The problem with that is that in many cases such a waiver would be worthless as medical bills could easily add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a serious illness, and thus few people would have the ability to pay. Moreover, there is also the issue of public health. For example, you can infect someone with measles that is up to 100 feet from you. If you were to come into contact with a baby and you had measles, you could pass the infection on to the infant if they had not yet been vaccinated for it themselves.
    You can't really prove transmission that easily. And most parents wisely vaccinate their children. And I really don't care how expensive the medical bills become. If you can't pay there'll be a program/punishment put in place for that. These people are making a choice. If they ignore or neglect to understand the risks that isn't my (or society's) problem, and it never should be.
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    For it to be a valid parental rights issue it would have to not place the children at risk. In this case not only does it place children in substantial avoidable danger, it places those around the child in danger as well.

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    Re: Should it be a parental right not to vaccinate your kids?

    This is my take on this as a parent. I am a civil libertarian. I believe that your right to live your life the way you choose to do so should extend so far as to not impede another individual's ability to do the same. I believe that as a parent it should be your right to raise your children with the faith and values you choose. I believe that as a parent it is your right to provide your children with what ever education you choose to give them. I believe that you should be able to discipline your kids the way you choose to so long as it does not injure them. I even think that if you are some hate peddling white supremacist, you have the right to raise your kids with your racist views.

    However, I do not believe that you have the right to potentially subject your kids to a horrible and agonizing death that could have been easily prevented with a vaccination, simply because you are a ****ing idiot. You don't have the right to abuse your kids. You do not have the right to starve your kids or not provide them with the necessities of life (food, water, shelter). Similarly, you do not have the right to subject them to a potentially agonizing death for a completely preventable disease simply because you are a ****ing idiot.
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    Re: Should it be a parental right not to vaccinate your kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The problem with that is that in many cases such a waiver would be worthless as medical bills could easily add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars for a serious illness, and thus few people would have the ability to pay. Moreover, there is also the issue of public health. For example, you can infect someone with measles that is up to 100 feet from you. If you were to come into contact with a baby and you had measles, you could pass the infection on to the infant if they had not yet been vaccinated for it themselves.
    they sign the waiver and can't pay...they don't get the treatment. put natural selection back into action.
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    Re: Should it be a parental right not to vaccinate your kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    This is my take on this as a parent. I am a civil libertarian. I believe that your right to live your life the way you choose to do so should extend so far as to not impede another individual's ability to do the same. I believe that as a parent it should be your right to raise your children with the faith and values you choose. I believe that as a parent it is your right to provide your children with what ever education you choose to give them. I believe that you should be able to discipline your kids the way you choose to so long as it does not injure them. I even think that if you are some hate peddling white supremacist, you have the right to raise your kids with your racist views.

    However, I do not believe that you have the right to potentially subject your kids to a horrible and agonizing death that could have been easily prevented with a vaccination, simply because you are a ****ing idiot. You don't have the right to abuse your kids. You do not have the right to starve your kids or not provide them with the necessities of life (food, water, shelter). Similarly, you do not have the right to subject them to a potentially agonizing death for a completely preventable disease simply because you are a ****ing idiot.
    Okay...so what about those who abstain from medical intervention entirely due to religious beliefs?
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    Re: Should it be a parental right not to vaccinate your kids?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Okay...so what about those who abstain from medical intervention entirely due to religious beliefs?
    The Supreme Court has already addressed that issue:

    In the case of Prince v. Massachusetts, the US Supreme Court ruled: "The right to practice religion freely does not include the liberty to expose the community or child to communicable disease, or the latter to ill health or death."

    You have the right to be a martyr if you choose to, you cannot make that choice for your children. You do not own your kids like you own your property, thus your authority over their affairs is not absolute.
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