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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And lots of dead poor people.
    poor people? the question directed to Ron Paul was regarding middle class people choosing to not be responsible. try to keep up.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    No, we shouldn't. We aren't savages, and we aren't that desperate as a society.

    Maybe we've forgotten what health care insurance IS: it is insurance. The idea behind insurance is, if something drastic happens the insurance company pays so you don't lose everything and go into debt.

    If you need a lifesaving proceedure and have no insurance, you get the proceedure. You may end up in bankruptcy and debt, but at least you're still alive. You can still work, get your finances straightened out, and get on with your life... none of which you could do if you were dead.

    We aren't primitive tribesmen living on the edge of starvation. We don't push the old and the weak out into the wilderness to die alone, and we shouldn't let someone die in pain in the waiting room of a hospital just because they have no insurance.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    No, we shouldn't. We aren't savages, and we aren't that desperate as a society.
    I disagree with how you're presenting your scenario. I don't come at this issue from desperation or cost savings, I come at it from creating an incentive system and holding people accountable for their own choices. Providing full medical care to people who choose not to buy insurance is rewarding that choice - why should you and I buy insurance if we know that we'll get the same level of care if we skip it?

    Maybe we've forgotten what health care insurance IS: it is insurance. The idea behind insurance is, if something drastic happens the insurance company pays so you don't lose everything and go into debt.
    Exactly. Insurance is designed to cover rare events, not everyday expenses. The cockamamie system we have now is like having auto insurance which pays for every fill up, every car wash, every oil change, every tune-up, every tire balancing, every windshield wiper replacement, etc. Auto insurance covers rare events, like fender benders, like being sued for a million dollars for an accident you caused, like your hospital care if you injure yourself in an accident you caused, etc. These events don't happen to people every day.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Here we go again arguing absolutes. The world doesn't work that way.

    Most Americans want some form of health coverage. Life doesn't often give us black and white problems that can be handled with a simple either/or. But that is what everyone is arguing here. Everyone who has health coverage believes that they sufficient coverage for most illnesses. Many illnesses and conditions are covered. There are many people who had adequate coverage...initially. Complications can drag on over time where people reach a point that with insurance they drained by niggling charges over a very long haul. No one could have foreseen the timeline and the mounting costs. It happens all the time, all the time. It isn't a live or die situation. It's often a disabled person with dependency issues or a rehabilitated and working tax payer choice.

    Most people don't just die. They suffer and suffer and suffer and eventually die. If some of my tax money goes toward keeping some people from suffering, and it does, then I'm fine with that. I don't think I'd want to live in a country that decided who was well enough, productive enough, smart enough, big enough or young enough to live.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Funny how all this would be solved if we just adopted the obvious solution: universal healthcare.
    Or universal major medical insurance.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Or universal major medical insurance.
    Does anybody want to debate how insurance companies insinuated themselves into our lives and made themselves indispensible?

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Does anybody want to debate how insurance companies insinuated themselves into our lives and made themselves indispensible?
    Why don't you try starting a thread on that topic.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Paul is not calling for the sick to be thrown out on the streets. He is not even opposed to government assistance for the people who can't afford healthcare. All he said was that a person who chooses to forgo health insurance should take responsibility for their own actions.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Tessaesque has covered all the bases I would have covered.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Does anybody want to debate how insurance companies insinuated themselves into our lives and made themselves indispensible?
    I would take that one on.
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