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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    the spartans put the weak, sick, feeble and infirm out in the elements to die....


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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    we should certainly not deny the uninsured access to life-saving treatments. especially in our current environment of unaffordable health care for individuals not
    eligible for a group policy.
    True, but the uninsured that are not insured by choice rather than by poverty...how about them ? Now you may say ok they go to the emergency room and then bill them and do the go after their house and bank acct thing...sure...but what if it comes into the hundreds of thousands or possibly into 6 figuures and they cant pay...who pays then? govt of course because the hospitals will NOT eat those costs, they couldnt possibly survive those kinds of costs...as we speak the GOP is fighting the clause that makes everyone that can afford it by insurance..so tell me how can Ron Pauls idea ever be instituted....how do you get millions of illegal immigrants to be responsible for themselves....bah cmon people...

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Universal health care would actually be great for businesses. Yes, you would need to institute a new tax to pay for it, but most businesses now days already pay health for employee health insurance. Private insurance is demonstrably less efficient than medicare (15-20 percent overheads vs 2 percent for medicare), which means the overall cost of the program would be lower. So businesses that currently have health benefits would save more money than they would have to pay in new taxes.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by KaptainKraK View Post
    I agree with tessaesque, Ron Paul did not say this, I believe that if your going to start a debate, start it with a true question like....
    Do you agree with the audience of the debate, on whether we should deny life-saving medical care to the uninsured?
    Thank you, sir.

    My apologies.

    New question: do you agree with the audience?

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It isn't the governments place to step in for either the inactions or the bad choices people make. It is a question for society to answer.
    Isn't government and society the same thing?

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    True, but the uninsured that are not insured by choice rather than by poverty...how about them ?
    if we choose to keep a largely private system, any individual who does not have a specific health care account with hundreds of thousands of dollars in it should be permitted to opt out. we are a society which does not let people die without treatment, and i think that's a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Now you may say ok they go to the emergency room and then bill them and do the go after their house and bank acct thing...sure...but what if it comes into the hundreds of thousands or possibly into 6 figuures and they cant pay...who pays then? govt of course because the hospitals will NOT eat those costs, they couldnt possibly survive those kinds of costs...as we speak the GOP is fighting the clause that makes everyone that can afford it by insurance..so tell me how can Ron Pauls idea ever be instituted....how do you get millions of illegal immigrants to be responsible for themselves....bah cmon people...
    the policy that some in the tea party apparently endorse is unworkable outside the theoretical.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I think the more pressing question is about allowing old people to die. 40% of medicare dollars go to the last month of the patients life. We spend huge amounts of money on incredibly expensive treatments with a minimal chance of success that would only buy a few more months of life in the best case scenario. If you are going to start sacrificing people for healthcare dollars, you should start with biggest expenses that bring in the least benefit.

    Frankly, I would be downright ashamed to enact such draconian measure at the moment. The only reason every American doesn't have healthcare is because our current system is the most wasteful and inefficient system in the world. We spend more 142% more money than anyone else per capita, and yet can't cover 16% of our population. There is no shortage of healthcare dollars, only people willing to avoid pissing said money away.
    I could not agree with you more, rathi. And it's about to get 100xs worse.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Isn't government and society the same thing?
    no.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Isn't government and society the same thing?
    Ideally, yes. In reality, not even close.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    Do you agree with Ron Paul's POV, that the uninsured should be denied life-saving medical care?

    Here's a better question - Substitute 8-year-old girl, or 90-year-old Vet in the hypothetical and see how people sound saying. "We should allow an 8-year-old with a treatable illness to die because her parents don't have insurance." Or "that 90-year-old vet doesn't qualify for a that expensive procedure..."

    I actually think Ron Paul is an intelligent guy with some interesting ideas. But when you take some of his ideas to their logical extreme, they become absurd and unworkable.

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