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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What? No, I mean that we don't respect people's decision to go without insurance and we don't hold them accountable to that decision. That is our fault.
    Any of us should be allowed to take our chances and forego health insurance. Respecting that decision means not insuring them de facto after the fact.
    It's no so much 'respecting' the decision, but holding them responsible for it.
    The current state of affairs breeds irresponsibility as people can make irresponsible decisions and not have to suffer the consequences for doing so.
    Once you remove the consequence from poor decision making, you eliminate the impetus to not make poor decisions.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    read it again, you failed to comprehend a simple statement.
    Let's see your proof there were 50 million rich people that couldn't afford health care 30 years ago?
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    What? No, I mean that we don't respect people's decision to go without insurance and we don't hold them accountable to that decision. That is our fault.

    Any of us should be allowed to take our chances and forego health insurance. Respecting this decision means not insuring them de facto after the fact.
    As the Heritage Foundation reasoned when they devised the plan, the rest of society ends up paying for those not responsible for their own health insurance.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Apparently you have fogotten that the statemt you responded to was....

    Post 188 you give the provider the choice to treat him at risk of doing so w/o compenation, or to not treat him.
    If they choose to treat someone that cannot pay, then they choose to take whatever loss that may result.
    Then my first statement was correct. Human life isn't worth the value of health care, unless health care providers decide it is. I wonder if the same logic can be applied to other issues.

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    As I said: Non sequitur.
    You clearly have no clue what "non sequitur" means.

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    See above.


    Not at all.
    If something is worth $100, that's a monetary evaluation. $100 is $100 wherever you go.
    If something is worth 2 days labor in a coal mine, that's NOT a monetary evaluation, as there's a lot more to that than the wages earned.
    And yet time, skill, and any other thing of value is exchanged for money.

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Why do you think your life is worth more than someone else's 2 days in a coal mine?
    Red herring.


    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    No kidding -- it is -very- clear that you want to impose your version of morality of others, and force people to pay for the implementation of same. Most people like you don't admit this. Good for you.
    How have I imposed anything? All I have done so far is pose a question which you have answered poorly.


    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    This has been addressed. Re-asking the questiuon will not result in a different answer.


    Which, as we see, has been supported in full.
    lol Not even close.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Let's see your proof there were 50 million rich people that couldn't afford health care 30 years ago?
    you are so over the top it is pathetic.

    my mom couldn't afford health insurance, she just survived breast cancer surgery though.

    gee, how can that possibly be?

    your attempt to equate the lack of insurance with the lack of life saving treatment is so ridiculously false, I don't know where to begin.

    but to compare this lack of major medical insurance with the plight of slaves, and their loss of basic rights they were granted is sickening beyond words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    As the Heritage Foundation reasoned when they devised the plan, the rest of society ends up paying for those not responsible for their own health insurance.
    1) this is because we hold no one accountable for the decision not to be insured
    2) nothing about this changes if we implement any of the liberals' ideas.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 09-16-11 at 04:20 PM.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    In my opinion the notion to mandate purchases of health insurance is not conservative.
    It is noted that you are further to the right than the Heritage Foundation.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    you are so over the top it is pathetic.

    my mom couldn't afford health insurance, she just survived breast cancer surgery though.

    gee, how can that possibly be?

    your attempt to equate the lack of insurance with the lack of life saving treatment is so ridiculously false, I don't know where to begin.

    but to compare this lack of major medical insurance with the plight of slaves, and their loss of basic rights they were granted is sickening beyond words.
    Who paid for it?
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
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    this is because we hold no one accountable for the decision not to be insured
    2) nothing about this changes if we implement any of the liberals' ideas.
    That's the whole idea behind the conservative plan for the health insurance mandate. I think UHC is much more practical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    That's the whole idea behind the conservative plan for the health insurance mandate. I think UHC is much more practical.
    UHC doesn't really change access, since we're all already treated upon arrival. UHC doesn't control costs unless government starts seriously rationing. UHC is a great deal for those who pay least and have the worst health habits, and a terrible deal for those who pay most and live the healthiest lifestyles, so these are backwards incentives. And UHC does not allow people to decide if and how they would like to address their potential healthcare needs.

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