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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    The discussion, as should be clear to you, is about the morality of letting people die if they cannot pay for their medical care.
    Did you forget your discussion with Dion?

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    HCR requiring citizens be insured and offering an affordable public option was the only hope and a move towards Universal.
    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    More importantly...
    There's nothing in the Constitution that allows the goverment to force other people to provide medical treatment to you.
    Please note what has changed in the Constitution since Nixon, Bush, the Heritage Foundation, Mitt Romney and Scott Brown all supported an insurance mandate?
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Did you forget your discussion with Dion?
    Sigh.
    I have, for some time, displayed a significant dgeree of patience toward you, as I hoped you might someday evolve into a poster worthy of my time. I apologize for being SO wrong.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    The key word is avoid.

    Legally, if you want to live where anything is, you are required to pay rent. A result of the enclosing of the Commons. A practice dating from around the 14th century in europe. When kings declared all the dirt their "property". The whole map. Then passed it out to their cronies to garner their support. Like most of the country was doled out to cronies and con men.

    This is the primary glitch in various forms of libertarian thinking. Government is bad except when it is aiding me in controlling more of the Commons than I could on my own. Then its the bee's knees!
    How does it do this? Are you familiar Geolibertarians, i.e., libertarians that have incorporated the ideas of Henry George?
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by PzKfW IVe View Post
    Sigh.
    I have, for some time, displayed a significant dgeree of patience toward you, as I hoped you might someday evolve into a poster worthy of my time. I apologize for being SO wrong.
    Your insults are a sign that you have a weak argument.

    Now you wish to run away rather than answer this question put to you?

    Please note what has changed in the Constitution since Nixon, Bush, the Heritage Foundation, Mitt Romney and Scott Brown all supported an insurance mandate?
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    The only people who like all of Obama's entitlements and defend this inept person are people who are just plain lazy and want everything gratis.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    The only people who like all of Obama's entitlements and defend this inept person are people who are just plain lazy and want everything gratis.
    really? i'm not lazy and i don't want anything handed to me. so i guess you couold say your post was a lie, right?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Here, let me allow the far righties to shoot down the mandate in its purist form...

    1) You take responsibility for yourself by purchasing health insurance. You have the choice of plans and extent of coverage.

    2) If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice (to not be responsible)...

    3) However, so the rest of us don't have to foot the bill should you have a major medical emergency, we ask that you pay a very reasonable fee on tax day.

    How much more conservative could you get?
    You could get more conservative by not implementing this at the federal level. When states are allowed to compete with other states over efficient government programs, we implement another check and balance.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really? i'm not lazy and i don't want anything handed to me. so i guess you couold say your post was a lie, right?
    so you admit that Obama is inept and that you like all of his entitlements?
    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    The only people who like all of Obama's entitlements and defend this inept person are people who are just plain lazy and want everything gratis.
    Or, they are people who care about the health and welfare of their fellow citizens and their country.

    BTW, when did the entitlements that have been in effect for decades under both parties, become Obama's entitlements?
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    You could get more conservative by not implementing this at the federal level.
    There's a -zillion- ways to get 'more conservative' than forcing people to pay for the medical costs of others, under any guise.
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