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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    He's far from a millionaire. He took losses the last 3 years. He lives in a house valued at $87k (low for DFW).
    Then unless he's on Medicare now, he's taking a huge risk. I would get him insured as soon as possible, and I would highly recommend nursing home insurance, as well. End of life care and nursing homes / hospices can be devastatingly expensive.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    Then unless he's on Medicare now, he's taking a huge risk. I would get him insured as soon as possible, and I would highly recommend nursing home insurance, as well. End of life care and nursing homes / hospices can be devastatingly expensive.
    He's 47. Too young for government health care and honestly, I doubt he'll take it. If my dad is disagnosed with anything short of bad knees I doubt he'll stay alive long enough to end up in a nursing home.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    So ultimately, a person's value equals their monetary value. . .
    Non sequitur, red herring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    When they "clear," that doesn't mean they were properly treated.
    You're pulling that out of your ass. People are hospitalized when it's medically necessary and discharged when it's no longer medically necessary. If you're going to allege the same doctors in hospitals discriminate on the basis of funding source, you've got some backing up to do.

    That defies logic. Especially if preventative care costs are kept reasonable.
    I assure you it does not. Read the link.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    WE haven't paid for anything for him. He's never even taken unemployment benefits. He's never been on food stamps, welfare, medicaid, or any other government program. He's paid in full for every procedure he's had done.

    He is also not the type who would sit for years and years suffering from any disease that would kill him slowly with treatment. He's made it pretty damn clear he won't live that way.

    So don't worry. "We" will likely never pay for my father's "irresponsibility".

    really you are missing the point. say your dad has to have a bypass.......much more than he could ever pay for in his lifetime. what do you think happens when hospitals and doctors have to eat their fees? they raise their prices, insurance goes up. so yes, WE do pay.

    and if you're not insured, the same thing could happen to you. do you expect to be treated if you can't pay? again, this is why we need mandated insurance.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    He's 47. Too young for government health care and honestly, I doubt he'll take it. If my dad is disagnosed with anything short of bad knees I doubt he'll stay alive long enough to end up in a nursing home.
    why would you say that?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    He's 47. Too young for government health care and honestly, I doubt he'll take it. If my dad is disagnosed with anything short of bad knees I doubt he'll stay alive long enough to end up in a nursing home.
    This is the last I'll nag you about it, but you must get him insured. If he's saved money so far, then stop gambling and leave the casino.

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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    why would you say that?
    Because he has no intention of living with a diminished quality of life. Watching several people waste away and die in pain did quite a number on him and he doesn't want it for himself. He's made it pretty clear he won't stay around for long once things start to decline.
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    Re: Should We Allow The Uninsured To Die?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    really you are missing the point. say your dad has to have a bypass.......much more than he could ever pay for in his lifetime. what do you think happens when hospitals and doctors have to eat their fees? they raise their prices, insurance goes up. so yes, WE do pay.

    and if you're not insured, the same thing could happen to you. do you expect to be treated if you can't pay? again, this is why we need mandated insurance.
    I'm sorry, but we don't need to give congress power beyond that provided to them by the consitution to mandate the sale of a product until we look at every other option. Forcing a product on to somebody because it seems like a magical cure-all....isn't. On my MRI, the insurance paid the hospital $80. The billed price of the MRI was $700. I paid nothing. So where'd the other $620 go? On the backs of other patients? Onto the government? Out of the hospital's pockets? The system is inherently flawed. Universal coverage or mandated insurance don't fix the flaws. It's like putting a bandaid over a severed limb. You think even with insurance that my dad could cover his portion of a bypass surgery? That'd be several thousand dollars, if not several tens of thousands of dollars.
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    [QUOTE=liblady;1059798756]really you are missing the point. say your dad has to have a bypass.......much more than he could ever pay for in his lifetime. what do you think happens when hospitals and doctors have to eat their fees? they raise their prices, insurance goes up. so yes, WE do pay.[quote]

    That's our problem. We must stop.

    and if you're not insured, the same thing could happen to you. do you expect to be treated if you can't pay? again, this is why we need mandated insurance.
    Again, this is why we need to respect people's decisions by holding them to those decisions.

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