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    Re: Is it right?

    Do people who are guilty of committing heinous crimes like child rape and murder deserve to die - yes.

    Have we executed people who are not guilty of the crimes they are convicted of - yes.

    Until we are 100% certain that all inmates executed are 100% guilty of the crimes they've been charged with, I personally won't cheer.

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    Re: Is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by David D. View Post
    Do people who are guilty of committing heinous crimes like child rape and murder deserve to die - yes.

    Have we executed people who are not guilty of the crimes they are convicted of - yes.

    Until we are 100% certain that all inmates executed are 100% guilty of the crimes they've been charged with, I personally won't cheer.
    I won't necessarily cheer, but I will support it. From the data we have, the number executed who were later proven innocent pales in comparison to the number of innocent lives lost by murderers being set free and killing again. People argue that there is a significant difference between an ordered execution and a murderer killing randomly, but I focus on which is for the greater good. Plain and simple, fewer innocent lives lost is better.
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    Re: Is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    Tonight's and last week's debate brought up something interesting. Last week, the loudest applause of the night broke out when Brian Williams mentioned the executions of over 200 people in Texas. Tonight people shouted out "yes" to the question "should you let a man who could afford but doesn't by health insurance die?" For example, I agree that the death penalty is correct in some cases, but I do not believe that it is something to be triumphed. Rather, I believe it should only be used as a sort of regretful last resort. Something necessary, but not something to be proud of.

    So, the question. Is it right to cheer for people's deaths, even if you agree that the person deserved it?
    I could care less about cheering . .. I want to focus on "should you let a man who could afford but doesn't by health insurance die?"

    I'd answer maybe. It depends on what the issue is - what are they dying from. A preventable disease that's costly to cure - but currable? A self inflicted condition related to obesity from overeating or alcohol consumption? Or something that's out of their control like a car accident or some such? If they CHOOSE not to do something and they KNOW the risks then they are CHOOSING those risks and are ACCEPTING what that means for them in their life.

    But there's nothing wrong with giving aid and expecting to be paid for time, assistance and services rendered.

    But let's not forget that the cost of medical care when up BECAUSE of the insurance industry gaining dominance. The cost rose because it COULD rise. So healthcare is so expensive BECAUSE of the insurance industry - not because people don't have insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I won't necessarily cheer, but I will support it. From the data we have, the number executed who were later proven innocent pales in comparison to the number of innocent lives lost by murderers being set free and killing again. People argue that there is a significant difference between an ordered execution and a murderer killing randomly, but I focus on which is for the greater good. Plain and simple, fewer innocent lives lost is better.
    Interesting.

    I am in support of the death penalty, I just refrain from cheer, especially for a large group of executions I personally know nothing about, vs maybe a single execution like a Bin Laden where I know the backstory, ect.
    Last edited by David D.; 09-13-11 at 10:12 AM.

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    Re: Is it right?

    The people in the audience who screamed "Yeah" and applauded the death of a hypothetical person are:

    1. People who have never faced the death struggle of someone close to them.
    2. People who are sociopathic.
    3. People who are unable to reason conceptually.
    4. People who have room temperature IQs.

    I would venture to say that most, if not all, the people in the debate audience are but one life instant away from a catastrophic event that could render them penniless. Statistically it will happen to some of them before they die. Most all of them will face a disability before they die.

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    Re: Is it right?

    I do not think our justice system is perfect in its conviction record. Many convicted just don't have the money or lawyers to correctly defend themselves. That leads to many false convictions at all levels. Per capita, we have more citizens incarcerated than any Nation in the world. It's a business here, and not a very proud one. Execution requires 100% certainty and I don't see that 100% of the time.

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    Re: Is it right?



    Yeah they deserved to die...and I hope they burn in hell!

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    Re: Is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    I won't necessarily cheer, but I will support it. From the data we have, the number executed who were later proven innocent pales in comparison to the number of innocent lives lost by murderers being set free and killing again.
    False dichotomy.

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    Re: Is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post


    Yeah they deserved to die...and I hope they burn in hell!
    haha - I was thinking of the prayer scene from 'When we were Soldiers'
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
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    Re: Is it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    False dichotomy.
    Let's hear your reasoning.
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