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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    I think something that a lot of people are missing is that HSR isn't just about passengers. It can also be used to transport freight much more efficiently than by truck or airplane or diesel engine.
    Speed costs money. It takes energy to accelerate a given mass to a set velocity. The faster you want to go the more energy it takes to propel that mass to your desired velocity. Energy equates to money in this calculation. Then there are also the additional engineering costs required to make transportation at higher speeds as safe as transportation at lower speeds. That too costs money.

    We're not going to see any increase in efficiency from hauling coal and grain at 400 km/h. There is already an existing transportation infrastructure in place to move high value items rapidly from point to point. The additional costs associated with building out a national HSR network to replace air transport for high value freight will not increase efficiency.

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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    btw.. the subway system in NYC sucks. I hate riding the sub in NYC. I would prefer a rail to the subway. I would also prefer a rail system over domestic flights.

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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The interstate system is largely beneficial for interstate commerce of goods.
    That's largely represented in what does the most road damage, OTR trucking and we already have a rail system for goods.

    HSR, with the exceptions of place like the North East corridor and maybe California, is wastefully dumb, the proposed lines outside of those areas serve no real purpose.
    Part of the primary problem with any mass transit systems is that the government takes money from road maintenance funds, to subsidize those systems.
    Causing what we have now, deficient road infrastructure.
    Do you understand that HSRs can travel at faster speeds than average semi trucks are legally allowed to drive on the highway?

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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    btw.. the subway system in NYC sucks. I hate riding the sub in NYC. I would prefer a rail to the subway. I would also prefer a rail system over domestic flights.
    How do you imagine that rail system functioning in NYC? Would it be underground, would it be elevated or would it be on the surface? Would you tear down buildings or just buy out floors and rip a HSP corridor right through the buildings?

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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Do you understand that HSRs can travel at faster speeds than average semi trucks are legally allowed to drive on the highway?
    Trucking can go from point to point, HSR cannot. This means that HSR can only go from terminal to terminal.
    The Interstate Highway System creates a very dense network of interconnections and it allows all sorts of vehicles to travel along the routes. HSR only allows one type of vehicle to travel on the HSR system and it doesn't create a dense network. If you displaced all IHS travel onto HSR then you'd get massive congestion at terminals for all of the traffic that was diffused across a wide network of IHS would be concentrated onto a small HSR network and then have to be diffused from the terminals. The terminals would become massive chokepoints in the system.

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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    How do you imagine that rail system functioning in NYC? Would it be underground, would it be elevated or would it be on the surface? Would you tear down buildings or just buy out floors and rip a HSP corridor right through the buildings?
    In Germany I recall some parts of their rails would be underground then go to above ground, and some were elevated in the city centers... Germany is older than America, and has less space than America. A rail didn't connect everything single thing either...

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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    How do you imagine that rail system functioning in NYC? Would it be underground, would it be elevated or would it be on the surface? Would you tear down buildings or just buy out floors and rip a HSP corridor right through the buildings?
    If it were underground, wouldn't that be the subway?


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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Do you understand that HSRs can travel at faster speeds than average semi trucks are legally allowed to drive on the highway?
    Yup.

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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    btw.. the subway system in NYC sucks. I hate riding the sub in NYC. I would prefer a rail to the subway. I would also prefer a rail system over domestic flights.
    Yeah, MTA sucks in general.

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    Re: Does strong infrastructure perpetuate economic growth

    I think ultimately, the question of whether high speed rail will be beneficial depends on how competitive it is with air lines on those markets.

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