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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    The government can only directly create jobs if the jobs in question are gov't jobs or other jobs paid by the gov't. Now the government can't directly create any more other jobs than that but they can simulate the creation of jobs by third parties. Like the restrictions of outsourcing, helping companies to limit the amount of lay offs, stimulating new industry and others. So no they can't create a job directly, but can help in the making in it.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Over the years the government has created millions of jobs, how many jobs has the internet, aerospace created alone?


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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Government does not create wealth, the way my factory does.
    So NASA high tech manufacturing plants don't create wealth the same way your factory does?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How about the roads the government built and maintains that allows the supplies to get to the restaurant or gas station, how about the Hoover Dam that provides electricty and water to hundreds if not millions of people and business? How about the sewer system that allows for clean
    I guess he also thinks that the NIH doesn't produce anything.

    And that NASA doesn't actually build anything.

    I'd like to see Blaylock's view of the SEC. I guess their working around ensuring honest financial statements is actually wealth destruction?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    How about the roads the government built and maintains that allows the supplies to get to the restaurant or gas station, how about the Hoover Dam that provides electricty and water to hundreds if not millions of people and business? How about the sewer system that allows for clean
    The infrastructure projects you describe will not likely 'create' jobs...they will 'save' jobs...in other words, they will enable existing government agencies (state and federal) to pay existing employees. The 'shoevl readp' projects proved to be a dismal failure. The better use of the money being considered would not be to create or maintain jobs, it would be to purchase products/increase demand on the private sector. That would also place administrative requirement on those private agencies. The money would go a lot further and would accomplish a lot more.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So NASA high tech manufacturing plants don't create wealth the same way your factory does?
    Do they sell those products and in a substantial manner so as to turn a profit and make the organization self-sustainable/self funding? then the answer is no...they dont create wealth. Could you run a business where you demanded others pay your start-up costs, salaries of employees, make something you want to make regardless of the market, operate at a loss, and still consider yourself a viable business? Of course not.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Smartest thing you've heard?

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    The government creates jobs all the time. The problem now is that each person hired for a new position simply adds to the deficit and the debt.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    The government creates jobs all the time. The problem now is that each person hired for a new position simply adds to the deficit and the debt.
    And apparently, even though they know each new 'job' actually costs the taxpayers about 200k, they still find it is worth it.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    The only thing that creates private sector jobs which produce goods and services for public consumption is "Demand", real or perceived. That's it. There is nothing else. I mean, what's the point in making something that nobody will buy, right?

    Now here's the frustrating part of our current dilema... we already have a market for nearly all goods and services. As a nation, we buy more stuff than any other country on the planet, bar none. The "Demand" or "Market" side of the equation already exists in America.

    There was a time when the USA was pretty close to self-sufficient. We made virtually all of the stuff we wanted right here at home. But then.. the Government changed the rules.

    Here's a little tidbit that many folks aren't aware of. Throughout the country there are 1000's of publicly owned investment trust funds that were created mostly to capitalize public sector programs like police & fire department retirement plans, community owned hospital building funds, even some local highway maintenance funds and the like. All told there are many 100's of Billions of dollars in these funds. All of these investment trusts are funded with YOUR tax dollars, got it? In the early 70's there were laws that restricted these funds from investing more than a stated amount in foreign countries, usually about 5% of the funds total value. Those hundreds of Billions of dollars were used almost exclusively to invest in American enterprises, which in my opinion was a good thing. But then the Government changed that little rule and allowed Billions of American tax dollars to move overseas at the expense of our own private sector growth! Isn't that Special...

    Then they came up with NAFTA... which sent literally millions of American jobs to Mexico under the guise of "Free Trade" (which it wasn't.. but it sounded good to the unwashed..).

    The point is... our Government has proven quite capable of ELIMINATING American jobs with nothing more than legislation. Just changing the rules to suit the needs of their campaign contributors.

    So, can the Government CREATE jobs in the private sector without deficit spending? Gee, whadaya think...?

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    1- nothing is irrelevant in this example.
    According to you... who uses what I consider irrelevant information to bolster a weak argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Government creates the building. Government staffs the building. Workers in the building provide services that the American people want.
    Not necessarily - American people don't want Obamacare yet we have it anyway. You're hinging your weak argument on now pro-government view that whatever passes Congress and is signed into law the American people want - not always true. Second, it's not just "Workers" in the building, it's Government Workers who are paid by taxpayer dollars.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Other businesses come in and provide services for the workers in that building.
    I'll point out your irrelevance again... it doesn't matter WHO built the buildings or staffed the building... those "other businesses" would have shown up anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Everything placed in that building comes from some worker - be it a manufacturer worker or a dock worker or a truck driver or a loading person or just plain grunt who takes it off the truck and places it in the office. That is highly relevant.
    It's only relevant if the chairs, the desks, the computers, etc... are manufactured in the U.S., which I would suggest, most are not. The manufacturer and dock worker would have worked that day anyway - if it wasn't for this government contract, it would have been on someone elses. The dock worker would have still brought ships in, still unloaded the boxes, still transported things whether or not this government building was at the end of it or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    2 - And this nonsense about "eventually the model collapses in on itself" is pure hyperbole. When we get to that point, you be sure to let all of us know.
    Apparently you missed it as I've already made that point. Let me take it down a few notches --- your "government building" would have to happen thousands of times a day, in every city in every corner of the country for it to put people to work. The FACT is, Government in your example is irrelevant just as I already stated. If ONLY government existed and government could sustain multiple other industries across the board eventually all private business would depend 100% on government in which case the taxpayer could no longer support that government and that government could no longer sustain the dependency of all private businesses --- therefore the system collapses on itself.

    Get it yet?
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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