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    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The 1500 workers are private workers or will they / do they receive their payroll from the taxpayer? Good for contractor work, and the furniture, electronics made in China - so it would certainly support the Chinese job market. Coffee shops, restaurants, cleaners, gas stations would show up whether it was a Government building or a private building - so that's irrelevant. The bottom line is, government creates more jobs to increase the size of government - eventually that model collapses on itself. Government's responsibility isn't to make itself bigger, it's to allow it's citzens to use the market and their abilities to create business on their own and become successful; not become yet another government drone on the taxpayer payroll.
    1- nothing is irrelevant in this example. Government creates the building. Government staffs the building. Workers in the building provide services that the American people want. Other businesses come in and provide services for the workers in that building. Everything placed in that building comes from some worker - be it a manufacturer worker or a dock worker or a truck driver or a loading person or just plain grunt who takes it off the truck and places it in the office. That is highly relevant.

    2 - And this nonsense about "eventually the model collapses in on itself" is pure hyperbole. When we get to that point, you be sure to let all of us know. In fact, you will not have to let us know since it will be obvious by the economic collapse. Otherwise, thats an interesting theory which has nothing to do with the example I gave you.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    from Greenvillegrows on the TVA

    But, there are other regulated non-government owned utility companies that can do the job just as well.
    In theory... in reality they would not and did not.

    Deal with the reality of the TVA and all the good the government did instead of abstract coulda/woulda/shoulda.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I would think that it is more fair to say that Liberals are confused by basic economics, mathematics, and common sense.
    Does "fair" mean the same thing in conservative jibber-jabber as it does in liberal mumbo-jumbo?
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    Government can create jobs related to government-related functions. But it should stay out of the private sector because it will most likely be over-extending its reach on areas it is ignorant about. For example, while the Government may know more about hiring military personnel, it will know nothing about a solar energy company.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Government can 'create' jobs...they just cant create 'sustainable' jobs. Private sector jobs are based on product and profit. Government jobs are dependent on taking from private sector sources to pay for them. Yes...federal employees pay taxes...but not enough to pay for the salaries. More government jobs equals more requirement for taxes. MORE government jobs equals future debt because you dont have sufficient tax income to pay for said jobs. That doesnt create long term growth and stability, it detracts from it. MORE government jobs will result in either a greater debt passed on to future generations, or (as is the dream of some) wealth redistribution by taking more from the wealthy to pay for the jobs.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Anyone ever heard of a fellow called FDR and the New Deal? It might be wise at this point to take a good look at what did FDR did to pull the US out of the great depression.... My husband retired from the Air Force and then went to work for one of Tennessee's major employers - Tennessee Valley Authority - and retired a second time. He went to work for a company created by the New Deal in the 1930s in 1980. Short terms jobs? I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Wanting a prosperous economy is class warfare now????
    This statement by you was not designed to show your burning want of a prosperous economy. You are Mr. Class Warfare... surely you're not surprised since I point it out to you often enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    The rich are simply taking their average $58,000 tax break we give them each year and investing it overseas.
    Those dastardly rich!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Is the TEA party prepared to slash the defense budget as well, or only social programs and regulatory agencies?
    Both... all... is that you're only question?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bardo View Post
    Does "fair" mean the same thing in conservative jibber-jabber as it does in liberal mumbo-jumbo?
    Only time you hear a conservative talking about fair is when he's repeating something a liberal said. The concept of fair to a conservative like me means let me compete without intrusion of the government.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Indeed.

    Compare that building to the factory that I mentioned earlier. In my factory, wealth is being created, enriching the economy as a whole. Every worker in my factory is part of the process by which wealth is created.

    What wealth are the 1500 government workers in that building creating? None at all. Sure, there is work being done, products being sold. Restaurants and gas stations and such. But the money used to pay for these things was taken out of the economy, with no contribution being made back thereto in return. This building full of 1500 government workers is the opposite of my factory—consuming and destroying wealth rather than creating it.
    How about the roads the government built and maintains that allows the supplies to get to the restaurant or gas station, how about the Hoover Dam that provides electricty and water to hundreds if not millions of people and business? How about the sewer system that allows for clean
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