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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where are these private market jobs that you speak of?
    You should ask that of haymarket - he's the one that brought it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    All the statistics I have seen over the last 5 years is an increasing unemployment rate. We have continued the trickle down economics over the last 30 years that was supposed to increase jobs and it has had the opposite effect. The rich are simply taking their average $58,000 tax break we give them each year and investing it overseas. How does this benefit the middle class in the US or our economy?
    And immediately you devolve into the standard class warfare rhetoric.

    Color me surprised.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    It's very simple. Government is a liability on the economy, not an asset. On a spread sheet, "government" is in the "expense" column. Every dollar the government spends has to be removed from the economy. Because the cost of a government job is greater than the cost of a job in the economy, every government job costs the economy more than one job lost.
    The answer is not a bigger government... at least as long as we are not a Marxist communist economy.
    The Democrats have grown the government to a size which it is impossible for the economy to pay for. That must change, or our existence will come to an end.
    I don't hear anyone other than the TEA Part promoting the only sane thing Washington should be doing - making the government significantly smaller.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You should ask that of haymarket - he's the one that brought it up.

    And immediately you devolve into the standard class warfare rhetoric.

    Color me surprised.
    Wanting a prosperous economy is class warfare now????
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    government creates lots of jobs: Military, bureaucracy, etc
    Teachers, firemen, police, ect.

    Not to mention private sector jobs like construction, manufacturing, research ect ect.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TeaPartyBiker View Post
    It's very simple. Government is a liability on the economy, not an asset. On a spread sheet, "government" is in the "expense" column. Every dollar the government spends has to be removed from the economy. Because the cost of a government job is greater than the cost of a job in the economy, every government job costs the economy more than one job lost.
    The answer is not a bigger government... at least as long as we are not a Marxist communist economy.
    The Democrats have grown the government to a size which it is impossible for the economy to pay for. That must change, or our existence will come to an end.
    I don't hear anyone other than the TEA Part promoting the only sane thing Washington should be doing - making the government significantly smaller.
    Is the TEA party prepared to slash the defense budget as well, or only social programs and regulatory agencies?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TeaPartyBiker View Post
    It's very simple. Government is a liability on the economy, not an asset.
    Well you know except that for people to be able to prosper, economically and socially they have to be kept safe from harm. Which is convienent because the American Government is partially employed to keep America safe through the use of the armed forces.

    Not only that but one could definitely argue that in 2008 the liability to the economy was poisonous elements of the private sector, which required the government to step in and save America and the world economy from certain, devastating, total collapse.

    On a spread sheet, "government" is in the "expense" column. Every dollar the government spends has to be removed from the economy.
    Depends really, government can make investments that have returns, sure we could use Solyndra as a pinnate here but lets say HYPOTHETICALLY the US government invests in Green energy, it really does take off and helps America to finally gain energy independence, that's a massive gain for the economy, or if America for example helps in grants and loans for Digsbes schooling, and he becomes the worlds greatest micro-biologist and I dunno, cures cancer (is that what you guys do? Or is it create Micro Mutant Ninja Turtles) well that's a gain for the economy again.

    Because the cost of a government job is greater than the cost of a job in the economy, every government job costs the economy more than one job lost.
    Unless of course those pesky national guardsmen employed by the government that may have saved your pizza shop during a hurricane or tornado that employed 10 people.... Stuff like that.

    The answer is not a bigger government...
    We can haz betta guvmint perhaps?

    at least as long as we are not a Marxist communist economy.
    Woh gee! I was worried for a second there. Thanks for clearing that up.

    The Democrats have grown the government to a size which it is impossible for the economy to pay for.
    Actually not really, it's retarded to have the spending you guys have, I'll give you that. But you could actually pay for it with higher taxes, could have perhaps payed for the wars... payed for... I dunno, anything at all?

    Even if you hate it, Tax and Spend is better then borrow and spend.

    That must change, or our existence will come to an end.
    The sky is falling mentality.

    After all is said and done you won't disappear because maybe things aren't as great. Maybe your average American will have one car instead of two with better mileage, goodbye SUV's!

    Maybe you won't be able to afford to ship Grandma/Mom and Grandpa/Dad off to the old peoples home so they'll have to live with you til their days come.

    Stuff like that.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Liberals are confused by Obamanomics.
    I would think that it is more fair to say that Liberals are confused by basic economics, mathematics, and common sense. “Obamanomics” isn't a cause of this confusion, but a product thereof.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So if the government erects an office building to house 1500 workers and uses private contractors to do that work, and then fills the building with furniture, electronics, etc all made by private companies, and then other businesses open in the area like coffee shops, restaurants, cleaners, gas stations etc. - how is it that government cannot create private jobs?
    The 1500 workers are private workers or will they / do they receive their payroll from the taxpayer? Good for contractor work, and the furniture, electronics made in China - so it would certainly support the Chinese job market. Coffee shops, restaurants, cleaners, gas stations would show up whether it was a Government building or a private building - so that's irrelevant. The bottom line is, government creates more jobs to increase the size of government - eventually that model collapses on itself. Government's responsibility isn't to make itself bigger, it's to allow it's citzens to use the market and their abilities to create business on their own and become successful; not become yet another government drone on the taxpayer payroll.
    Indeed.

    Compare that building to the factory that I mentioned earlier. In my factory, wealth is being created, enriching the economy as a whole. Every worker in my factory is part of the process by which wealth is created.

    What wealth are the 1500 government workers in that building creating? None at all. Sure, there is work being done, products being sold. Restaurants and gas stations and such. But the money used to pay for these things was taken out of the economy, with no contribution being made back thereto in return. This building full of 1500 government workers is the opposite of my factory—consuming and destroying wealth rather than creating it.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TeaPartyBiker View Post
    It's very simple. Government is a liability on the economy, not an asset. On a spread sheet, "government" is in the "expense" column. Every dollar the government spends has to be removed from the economy. Because the cost of a government job is greater than the cost of a job in the economy, every government job costs the economy more than one job lost.
    The answer is not a bigger government... at least as long as we are not a Marxist communist economy.
    The Democrats have grown the government to a size which it is impossible for the economy to pay for. That must change, or our existence will come to an end.
    I don't hear anyone other than the TEA Part promoting the only sane thing Washington should be doing - making the government significantly smaller.
    Do you think money the government spends just magically disappears or something? It gets put right back into the economy. The only times money is actually disappearing is when someone is paying back loans, or when they're sending it overseas.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    Indeed.

    Compare that building to the factory that I mentioned earlier. In my factory, wealth is being created, enriching the economy as a whole. Every worker in my factory is part of the process by which wealth is created.

    What wealth are the 1500 government workers in that building creating? None at all. Sure, there is work being done, products being sold. Restaurants and gas stations and such. But the money used to pay for these things was taken out of the economy, with no contribution being made back thereto in return. This building full of 1500 government workers is the opposite of my factory—consuming and destroying wealth rather than creating it.
    That is completely untrue. Sure, if the government employees are being paid to sit around and play Minesweeper all day, they're not creating any wealth. But what if the factory is government owned? Does it suddenly stop producing wealth? It's easy to talk about wealth being created by the production sector, but how about the service sector? Stock brokers sit around all day and play with other people's money, and make millions while they do it. Where's the wealth creation there?
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