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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    One would have to be an idiot to deny the claim. However, I think the real debate is not whether the Government can create jobs like more TSA clowns, FBI special agents, poultry inspectors, district judges, DOJ prosecutors or Navy SEALS but rather can government activity create more PRIVATE sector jobs through tax hikes, tax cuts, tariffs, less or more regulations etc
    You left out debt, which was how our military expense for the last 30 years (that almost equals the rest of the world combined) and our optional wars were paid for.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    One would have to be an idiot to deny the claim.
    Then it looks like we have a couple idiots here.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    One would have to be an idiot to deny the claim. However, I think the real debate is not whether the Government can create jobs like more TSA clowns, FBI special agents, poultry inspectors, district judges, DOJ prosecutors or Navy SEALS but rather can government activity create more PRIVATE sector jobs through tax hikes, tax cuts, tariffs, less or more regulations etc
    that's where I think the "can government create jobs" questions is more complex than it originally sounds. are we asking if the government can create any jobs, or whether it can create jobs in net.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    It is amazing how many misinformed people have voted in this poll. Government can create and atmosphere conducive to new jobs, Government jobs don't count because they are a drain on society not a plus to the economy.


    Liberals are confused by Obamanomics.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    It is amazing how many misinformed people have voted in this poll. Government can create and atmosphere conducive to new jobs, Government jobs don't count because they are a drain on society not a plus to the economy.


    Liberals are confused by Obamanomics.
    Could you please explain to us with appropriate data how the TVA was a drain on society?

    How was the TVA a drain on the economy?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    It is amazing how many misinformed people have voted in this poll. Government can create and atmosphere conducive to new jobs, Government jobs don't count because they are a drain on society not a plus to the economy.


    Liberals are confused by Obamanomics.
    Then we have a real problem with the question, the poll, offered by the OP. The OP did not distinguish between the government creating jobs through government employment vs. creating a business centric atmosphere with incentives where private job creation grows. But that almost does not matter in that the answer to both is yes even if it is indirect, the government can both create plenty of government jobs (we have seen this plenty in recent times) and can set an atmosphere for private job creation. Where we have an issue is in how the government goes about this, both in terms of targeted tax cuts without correlating spending cuts which results in more debt as well as imbalance in tax code (which is easy to argue gets worse the further we go.) But the point is the government can set an environment for job growth even if it is artificial and temporary based on economic conditions not favorable. You could argue, rather well, that whatever private jobs have been created are not favorable as the economy is not on a path to sustained real growth anytime soon.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    When I read such a poll question, I read "private sector" as the inferred yet left out words. Sure government can create government jobs and they have. Government is the largest employer in the U.S. What government cannot do is create private jobs.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    When I read such a poll question, I read "private sector" as the inferred yet left out words. Sure government can create government jobs and they have. Government is the largest employer in the U.S. What government cannot do is create private jobs.
    So if the government erects an office building to house 1500 workers and uses private contractors to do that work, and then fills the building with furniture, electronics, etc all made by private companies, and then other businesses open in the area like coffee shops, restaurants, cleaners, gas stations etc. - how is it that government cannot create private jobs?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So if the government erects an office building to house 1500 workers and uses private contractors to do that work, and then fills the building with furniture, electronics, etc all made by private companies, and then other businesses open in the area like coffee shops, restaurants, cleaners, gas stations etc. - how is it that government cannot create private jobs?
    The 1500 workers are private workers or will they / do they receive their payroll from the taxpayer? Good for contractor work, and the furniture, electronics made in China - so it would certainly support the Chinese job market. Coffee shops, restaurants, cleaners, gas stations would show up whether it was a Government building or a private building - so that's irrelevant. The bottom line is, government creates more jobs to increase the size of government - eventually that model collapses on itself. Government's responsibility isn't to make itself bigger, it's to allow it's citzens to use the market and their abilities to create business on their own and become successful; not become yet another government drone on the taxpayer payroll.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The 1500 workers are private workers or will they / do they receive their payroll from the taxpayer? Good for contractor work, and the furniture, electronics made in China - so it would certainly support the Chinese job market. Coffee shops, restaurants, cleaners, gas stations would show up whether it was a Government building or a private building - so that's irrelevant. The bottom line is, government creates more jobs to increase the size of government - eventually that model collapses on itself. Government's responsibility isn't to make itself bigger, it's to allow it's citzens to use the market and their abilities to create business on their own and become successful; not become yet another government drone on the taxpayer payroll.
    Where are these private market jobs that you speak of? All the statistics I have seen over the last 5 years is an increasing unemployment rate. We have continued the trickle down economics over the last 30 years that was supposed to increase jobs and it has had the opposite effect. The rich are simply taking their average $58,000 tax break we give them each year and investing it overseas. How does this benefit the middle class in the US or our economy?
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