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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    Of course it fails at creating jobs, just look throughout the history of China, Argentena, Japan, etc. Once they became more free market, the economy grew rapidly.
    Is this a joke?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Smartest thing you've heard?

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    Government can create jobs...

    ...but can it create competition, ingenuity, and the desire to succeed?

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Government can create jobs...

    ...but can it create competition, ingenuity,
    and the desire to succeed?
    Actually it can. Look no further than the aerospace and defense industry. Although some have also argued reasonably that the contracting and procurement system is broken.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Government can create jobs...

    ...but can it create competition, ingenuity, and the desire to succeed?
    Because obviously the only thing capable of motivating people is making moar money.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Actually it can. Look no further than the aerospace and defense industry. Although some have also argued reasonably that the contracting and procurement system is broken.
    Tbh I'm skeptical of governmet programs. They always seem so wasteful and incompetent. I don't have knowledge on the aerospace/defense industry, but I do think the free market is a better place for jobs and like aspects of ingenuity/competition than government..

    You know, I really need to start reading up on political/economical sciences. I do hold, though, to the notion that price doesn't lie and that the free market should set the price and not government.


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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Because obviously the only thing capable of motivating people is making moar money.
    That is the nature of humans. We desire to succeed; we like to own things.

    We can not all abide by Marx's altruistic feelings.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    [I]Tbh I'm skeptical of governmet programs. They always seem so wasteful and incompetent. I don't have knowledge on the aerospace/defense industry, but I do think the free market is a better place for jobs and like aspects of ingenuity/competition than government..
    The point is that government is capable of stimulating creativity, ingenuity, innovation, and competition. It's true that many government programs are wasteful, but comparing the public to the private sector isn't always great. They have inherently different roles.

    You know, I really need to start reading up on political/economical sciences. I do hold, though, to the notion that price doesn't lie and that the free market should set the price and not government.
    That would be a great place to start.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Is this a joke?
    100% Fact. What is there to even argue about? The free market will always trump the governments ability to create jobs number wise.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    That is the nature of humans. We desire to succeed; we like to own things.

    We can not all abide by Marx's altruistic feelings.
    No. We like to accomplish things. Maybe for some people that means owning as much crap as possible, but not for everyone. Otherwise, charity would not exist. It's been demonstrated that in jobs which require pretty much any kind of innovation or creative thinking, the best way to motivate people is to pay them a good enough wage that they don't need to worry about money, and then give them as much free reign as possible. Marx has nothing to do with it.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by DontDoIt View Post
    100% Fact. What is there to even argue about? The free market will always trump the governments ability to create jobs number wise.
    I question where you get your history from. Japan's economic boom was during the strong Keiretsu period. That is far from a free market. Japan is more capitalistic then it was during that period and job growth has largely stagnated for the past decade.

    China hardly has a free market where state control is still firmly entrenched. Much of the job growth in China is going towards business that have massive state backing. That's not exactly the free market. China practices basically state backed cowboy capitalism where if you have the right connections, the party will help you out with cheap land, cheap loans, and weak regulation. If you don't, well you're in for quite a ride dealing with massive red tape.

    Argentina's not really a good example of either. Many of the large mining companies have strong state backing as do many of the large agricultural firms.
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