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    Re: Government can't create jobs

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    Read what I said without so much bias. People employed by the government went into those buildings and saved thousands of lives. But, the government didn't create the job. The job was created by a tragedy (an invasion/attack). As a community, we decided that responding to that type of tragedy would be the responsibility of the government. We could also have said it would be the responsibility of a private company of some kind -- or, by volunteer citizens (which also happened by the way) -- or, by citizens who would be paid by the collective later. The are pro's and con's to all of the options.
    Those government jobs existed before that tragedy ever happened on 911. The people who performed them provided valuable public service every day of their careers. The people have decided through their elected representatives that we want the people who serve the public interest to work for the public.
    My use of "welfare" applied to made up jobs. "Sit here, do pretty much nothing, get paid." That's the only type of job the government "creates". Every other kind of "job" the government does is created by someone or something else (need, demand, capitalism, etc.). The government doesn't create the jobs.
    BS stacked a mile high. Be specific for heavens sake. Quit attacking public servants behind a cloak of vagueness. Tell us what government jobs are welfare. The public needs creates jobs and the government represents the public. It is a perfect symbiosis.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Tennessee Valley Authority Act (ch. 32, 48 Stat. 58, codified as amended at 16 U.S.C. § 831, et seq.), creating TVA on May 18, 1933.

    As a supplier of electric power, the agency was given authority to enter into long-term (20 years) contracts for the sale of power to government agencies and private entities, to construct electric power transmission lines to areas not otherwise supplied and to establish rules and regulations for electricity retailing and distribution. TVA is thus both a power supplier and a regulatory agency.

    Today, TVA is the nation's largest public power company, providing electric power to over nine million customers in the Tennessee Valley. It acts primarily as an electric power wholesaler, selling to 156 retail power distributors and 56 directly served industrial or government customers. Power comes from dams providing hydroelectric power, fossil fuel plants, nuclear power plants, combustion turbines, wind turbines and solar panels.

    Tennessee Valley Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    President Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed the Tennessee Valley Authority Act (ch. 32, 48 Stat. 58, codified as amended at 16 U.S.C. § 831, et seq.), creating TVA on May 18, 1933.

    As a supplier of electric power, the agency was given authority to enter into long-term (20 years) contracts for the sale of power to government agencies and private entities, to construct electric power transmission lines to areas not otherwise supplied and to establish rules and regulations for electricity retailing and distribution. TVA is thus both a power supplier and a regulatory agency.

    Today, TVA is the nation's largest public power company, providing electric power to over nine million customers in the Tennessee Valley. It acts primarily as an electric power wholesaler, selling to 156 retail power distributors and 56 directly served industrial or government customers. Power comes from dams providing hydroelectric power, fossil fuel plants, nuclear power plants, combustion turbines, wind turbines and solar panels.

    Tennessee Valley Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    And now wait for somebody to tell y0u that the TVA never created one job.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    Those government jobs existed before that tragedy ever happened on 911. The people who performed them provided valuable public service every day of their careers. The people have decided through their elected representatives that we want the people who serve the public interest to work for the public.

    BS stacked a mile high. Be specific for heavens sake. Quit attacking public servants behind a cloak of vagueness. Tell us what government jobs are welfare. The public needs creates jobs and the government represents the public. It is a perfect symbiosis.
    The point being that government doesn't "create" a job. I was allowing that it could, in some case, provide an income stream and call it a job. I am not saying that people who work for the government are not actually doing jobs.

    Again, if you want to say that "need" creates jobs (which I said from the first quote you blasted) and you prefer to have government, in its position, fill the job. Fine. But to say that government created the job itself is wrong. The public (or sometimes the government bureaucracy despite the public) decides which jobs the government will do or which jobs private citizens will be allowed to do.

    And yes, TVA is an example of the government doing something on behalf of the public. But, there are other regulated non-government owned utility companies that can do the job just as well. If a job is needed, the government might be the right choice to fill that job. It might not. Public/private partnerships work very well when financing or private only investment is difficult to obtain. But, simply pointing to a task and saying "the government will do it" isn't the same as creating a job. Jobs are created by need and capitalism. A job can be done by the government (at a net benefit or net loss to the public) but not created.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    The government can certainly create jobs, the question is whether what they can create is worth the cost.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    government creates lots of jobs: Military, bureaucracy, etc

    whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is subject to much debate.
    I agree. also management of natural resources, wildfire suppression, etc.

    how many jobs depends how much the public is willing to pay in taxes to fund the jobs.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Come on everyone, look at who started this thread. Clearly he's up to his old tricks and wants to trap everyone.
    Everyone?

    No. It's just meant to make fun of adpst.

    You're all falling for his fake-out.
    On the contrary, rational people all agree it can create jobs. So they aren't at all the target of the joke. Why you can't see that....well.

    The answer is that government can't create jobs because governments are organizational structures and they don't have sentience. The correct answer is that people create jobs.
    That may be the most hair splitting answer this forum has ever seen.

    But it fails because it ignores the fact that through the government the actions of government employees create jobs, ergo, the government creates jobs.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Govt. can hire more people, provide tax-breaks or other economic incentives for companies to hire more people, and they can fund projects that are bid out to companies that will hopefully hire more people in order to do the work.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Government can create jobs.
    The real question is, "Do those jobs actually add value to the economy at large, over time?"
    That, indeed, is the real issue.

    I work in a factory. At one end, raw materials come into this factory. Within the factory, are hundreds of workers, who process and store this raw material, and who, in various stages, convert this raw material into final product, and package it. I work at the other end, from where we load the finished product into trucks, that will take it to the stores, where you will buy it. We make very good, very popular products, and I would bet that most of you who are reading this have some of my employer's products in your homes. What comes out of my end of the factory is much more valuable than what went in the other end. In converting raw materials into finished product, we are creating wealth. The economy as a whole, is enriched, by the difference in value between the raw materials coming into the Receiving end of my factory, and the product that my colleagues and I are sending out of the Shipping end of the factory.

    Government does not create wealth, the way my factory does. Every job that government “creates”, is paid for out of money that is taken out of the private sector. That means that there is that much less money out here, to be used by factories such as mine, that are involved in the genuine creation of wealth. Every single person who works at my factory, participates in the creation of wealth, and in so doing, contributes more to the economy as a whole, than what it costs the company to pay that worker.

    The same is simply not true of a government worker. There are some vital functions that we need government to perform, and to do that, government needs to hire workers. But do not fool yourself into thinking that the money that “creates” a certain number of jobs within government wouldn't create considerably more jobs if it was left in the private sector.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    I'd like to see the government consider restarting the CCC and WPA on some scale. Desperate people deserve some hope. And both organizations did some amazing work in their day.

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