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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    they're actually already looking at the idea.



    actually it's the Obama administration that is looking at putting this into practice. but hey, I'm 100% in favor of you refusing to vote for a candidate who would support such an extreme right-wing idea.



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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    A 401k is simply a retirement savings account. The plan can be set up so that the money in the plan does not have to be invested in equities. It may be kept in an interest bearing savings account.
    The military already has a good pension deal going (Fox News thinks its too good)-

    "It sounds like a pretty good deal: Retire at age 38 after 20 years of work and get a monthly pension of half your salary for the rest of your life. All you have to do is join the military."

    Read more: Are Military Pensions Too 'Generous'? | Fox News
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The military already has a good pension deal going (Fox News thinks its too good)-

    "It sounds like a pretty good deal: Retire at age 38 after 20 years of work and get a monthly pension of half your salary for the rest of your life. All you have to do is join the military."

    Read more: Are Military Pensions Too 'Generous'? | Fox News
    I responded because someone posted something that implied that all 401k plans force those using them to invest in equities. I wanted to point out that this is not necessarily the case. Funds can be put into interest bearing savings accounts.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Centinel View Post
    I responded because someone posted something that implied that all 401k plans force those using them to invest in equities. I wanted to point out that this is not necessarily the case. Funds can be put into interest bearing savings accounts.
    Yes, I saw your post. I posted info to show they have a superior deal now under the current military pension system, with zero risks!
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I saw your post. I posted info to show they have a superior deal now under the current military pension system, with zero risks!
    Oh, thanks. I was afraid I was being unclear, and I just wanted to clarify.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I looked at the voting on this poll and it seemed a bit lopsided. Then I looked at the poll w/o being loged in.
    There are a handful of self declared conservatives (who have no idea what that ideology actually means) who collectively have the combined maturity of a spoiled toddler. When a poll on an issue near to their heart goes in a way that doesn't fit their preconceived ideas, they tend to act accordingly like a spoiled toddler. It's really quite sad considering these users pretend to favor transparency and self responsibility. Hypocrites they are very much so.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    I wasn't aware America was a developing country.

    You are so dishonest it's gotten to the point where anything you post is extremely suspect.

    "In developing countries, output initially responds negatively to increases in government consumption."

    Some other users may take you at face value, but I've seen enough of your posts to consider you one of the least honest posters on the forum.

    Are you REALLY pushing that SAME study again?

    Seriously dude. I point out why your arguments are total garbage, you wait a few months and then repost the same refuted bull****.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...post1059611617
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...post1059610041
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-ele...post1059610154

    You essentially are like a YEC. You get destroyed, lay low for a while and then repeat the same refuted bat**** argument again hoping no one notices.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the rough figure is that it costs a million dollars per servicemember per year to deploy to Afghanistan. as a guy with multiple friends in PMC's, their costs are much lower per man, per year.
    Actually I'm pretty sure that million figure is accounting for future liabilities stemming from that service year.

    furthermore (this is perhaps crass, but still true), the government loses nothing when a contractor dies other than the loss of his services before the company can get someone else out there. when a servicemember dies, the costs start at half a million dollars and go up from there - that's not counting for transport, burial, or any of the services we offer to the families of the fallen.
    This is basically what Cheney argued as to why PMCs would save the government money. But it's not just death, the costs of rehab are not borne by the government for a PMC who gets injured. It's crass, but it's still true.

    but yes, I think that the DOD is now spending more on pension/benefits than we are on pay - it's a huge issue and one reason we are looking to move to a defined contributions plan.
    Gates basically said that benefits are eating the Pentagon alive.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Government can create jobs. There is actually a very simple solution that worked very well. It's called economic independence. Jefferson, in his signing of the Embargo of 1807, jumpstarted American industrialization. We were mainly self reliant until the end of the 19th century and into the turn, excluding the south which didn't manufacture until later. Since the turn, we have become more independent on other countries to make our products. We obviously have a workforce, based on the 9% unemployment, and we have the resources. All we need to do is use them. A high tariff on imported goods will be just the spark that is needed for re-industrialization of America, because there is nothing us Americans hate worse than expensive things that we can make ourselves.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastIndepent View Post
    Government can create jobs. There is actually a very simple solution that worked very well. It's called economic independence. Jefferson, in his signing of the Embargo of 1807, jumpstarted American industrialization. We were mainly self reliant until the end of the 19th century and into the turn, excluding the south which didn't manufacture until later. Since the turn, we have become more independent on other countries to make our products. We obviously have a workforce, based on the 9% unemployment, and we have the resources. All we need to do is use them. A high tariff on imported goods will be just the spark that is needed for re-industrialization of America, because there is nothing us Americans hate worse than expensive things that we can make ourselves.
    There is much we agree on here, although I think a trade embargo would not be very practical or doable. We certainly do need to become more self reliant. And I think we need to address the tax incentives for outsourcing jobs from this country, and pay our full-time workers a living wage that does not require taxpayer funded welfare to supplement.
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