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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If Baylock and Petulana run away from this it basically proves my point about the weakness of their belief in post #222.
    Did someone predict something?

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    It can, but they aren't created very efficiently most of the time. What it can do better is make sure that our infrastructure and legal system support the real job-creaters. (no not people making over 250k a year). Smaller and medium sized firms create jobs the most effectively, so our system needs to stop favoring the wealthy and huge multi-nationals. In other words, some government is necessary for a true free market economy.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    I both disagree and agree, any that says the government doesn't create jobs is seriously lacking somewhere. The problem is with the jobs that the government creates, I would say that (this is a guess) that 95% of government job produce nothing, (in the way of product) and these jobs must be paid by the taxpayers of this country. Part of the problem with our budget, is government payroll. That is and has been increasing faster then the private sector jobs that are source of the money needed to pay there salaries.


    Now can government help produce private sector jobs, yeah I suppose they can, but the question there remains is how much bang for the buck do we get when they try. One in here said that “Government can act like a giant Venture Capitalist, pouring large amounts of money into projects that may produce tangible products. “ The problem with that is, well their successes are touted loudly, just as often, or probably more often they fail. Mostly we don't hear about the failures .. Solyndra is in the news because of questions surrounding how stable it was when they were given 500 million dollars. Now how many more loans will have to be made, paid back with interest, to make up for a 500million dollar loss ?


    I don't believe our government creates any wealth, they create ideas, and innovation that the private sector can then use to create wealth, but to say the government creates wealth, is a stretch. If they were so good at creating wealth as one here is saying, then how in the hell did we get 15 trillion dollars in debt, and how could they be running at a 1.5 trillion deficit per year??.....By anyone's standard that I know, they would never anything that is 15 trillion dollars, and growing yearly, in debt something that was any good at creating wealth.


    The government is basically a service industry, that produces very little in the over all scheme of things in the way of product. Their job is to spend the money they take in. But that single standard they are now, and have been failing for a long time. Much of the services they provide are needed and wanted by most people, but they have become like pigs that think they have a never ending supply of feed, and have grown bloated, under worked and over paid.
    I agree that government is a necessary evil....it does not nor can it produce wealth, in fact it only consumes wealth......to supply service, sometime necessary for security, or to smooth the ways of private industry.....and most the time just to be a pain in the butt.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by A.Pearce View Post
    It can, but they aren't created very efficiently most of the time. What it can do better is make sure that our infrastructure and legal system support the real job-creaters. (no not people making over 250k a year). Smaller and medium sized firms create jobs the most effectively, so our system needs to stop favoring the wealthy and huge multi-nationals. In other words, some government is necessary for a true free market economy.
    Decades of research inventing and improving computers. The internet was born at a university. Satellites were invented and improved by government. All three created the largest economic boom since the industrial revolution. All were invented and improved by government before very bright individuals had something they could profit off of.
    “Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone.” John Maynard Keynes

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    If Baylock and Petulana run away from this it basically proves my point about the weakness of their belief in post #222.
    Actually, I ran away because I have some other things to do with my life, and they were more important to me at the time than a urinating imbroglio with you.....

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Decades of research inventing and improving computers. The internet was born at a university. Satellites were invented and improved by government. All three created the largest economic boom since the industrial revolution. All were invented and improved by government before very bright individuals had something they could profit off of.
    No, satellites were invented by private contractors working for the government....and their expertise came from working also on products in the private sector. Would they never have been invented and designed without unending government money?..Depends on the market......doesn't it?......How much money was wasted in the process?

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    Actually, I ran away because I have some other things to do with my life, and they were more important to me at the time than a urinating imbroglio with you.....
    If that was true, you wouldn't be posting here. The typical "I have better things to do.....while I'm posting here" is rather ludicrous. If you had more important things to do with your time, you wouldn't be here. The only people who use that pathetic line are those who routinely get annihilated.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    No, satellites were invented by private contractors working for the government
    Sputnik says otherwise. Furthermore, Project Orbiter and Project Vanguard were military operations.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You still are missing the point.

    Sure, government can “create” jobs. But if, in order to do so, it is taking wealth out of the economy that, left in the private sector, would create more jobs than government would use that wealth to create, then, in effect, government is destroying more jobs than it is creating. The net effect is that no, government is not actually creating jobs; there are fewer people working than if government left that wealth in the private sector, where it would do more good.

    Bob are you saying that Police, Firemen, Teachers, RoadWorkers, City, County, State adminstrative workers...such as Tax office, Health Depts, Motor vehicle. EMTs.....that they dont return their money to the economy by buying homes...food, televisions and everything else that private sector workers do with their money.
    Are you saying that service jobs have no value ? If that was the case by all means if your ever in trouble call a productive member of society to come save you like..a your local convenient store clerk...

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    No, satellites were invented by private contractors working for the government....and their expertise came from working also on products in the private sector. Would they never have been invented and designed without unending government money?..Depends on the market......doesn't it?......How much money was wasted in the process?
    Project Vanguard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It doesn't depend on the market. There will always be projects where the scope and length of research required to produce a profitable good is beyond the capabilities of a corporation. It's happened for centuries. There's always been a marriage between government and private organizations and always will be.

    The research of future technologies are done at places like CERN or government subsidized/funded companies.

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