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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    The government can't create a job that produces anything that create wealth for the economy.
    So drugs the NIH found aren't wealth?
    So manufacturing processes for extremely high strength materials produced at NASA research facilities isn't wealth?
    All of the applied materials NASA created aren't wealth?
    So the medical breakthroughs that Army doctors are making for wounded soldiers aren't wealth?
    So crops that are drug and pest resistant due to government researchers aren't wealth?

    EDIT: Thought of a doozy.

    By your argument, nuclear power is not a form of wealth.

    I see you have no problem siding with the know nothing crowd. That's starting from a serious disadvantage here.
    Last edited by obvious Child; 10-07-11 at 03:19 AM.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    According to Petaluna, nothing in the linked Wikipedia list is wealth.

    NASA spin-off - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's amazing how far some people will carry that idiotic meme that "government can't create jobs" or "government can't create wealth."

    Government can act like a giant Venture Capitalist, pouring large amounts of money into projects that may produce tangible products. Case in point: the Manhattan project, which without we would not have nuclear power By idiotic argument Petaluna has given, nuclear power is not wealth because it came from the government.

    You people have taken the fairly reasonable position that government wastes money and turned it into something that does not resemble that original stance.

    It's a real sad sign of how just how weak you believers in those idiotic memes are when you constantly run away from people who provide solid examples of you being wrong. I've already provided several in this thread alone, to which the meme believers have totally avoided. You say it, we challenge you, you run away. That is not a sign of a strong position.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    If Baylock and Petulana run away from this it basically proves my point about the weakness of their belief in post #222.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    I both disagree and agree, any that says the government doesn't create jobs is seriously lacking somewhere. The problem is with the jobs that the government creates, I would say that (this is a guess) that 95% of government job produce nothing, (in the way of product) and these jobs must be paid by the taxpayers of this country. Part of the problem with our budget, is government payroll. That is and has been increasing faster then the private sector jobs that are source of the money needed to pay there salaries.


    Now can government help produce private sector jobs, yeah I suppose they can, but the question there remains is how much bang for the buck do we get when they try. One in here said that “Government can act like a giant Venture Capitalist, pouring large amounts of money into projects that may produce tangible products. “ The problem with that is, well their successes are touted loudly, just as often, or probably more often they fail. Mostly we don't hear about the failures .. Solyndra is in the news because of questions surrounding how stable it was when they were given 500 million dollars. Now how many more loans will have to be made, paid back with interest, to make up for a 500million dollar loss ?


    I don't believe our government creates any wealth, they create ideas, and innovation that the private sector can then use to create wealth, but to say the government creates wealth, is a stretch. If they were so good at creating wealth as one here is saying, then how in the hell did we get 15 trillion dollars in debt, and how could they be running at a 1.5 trillion deficit per year??.....By anyone's standard that I know, they would never anything that is 15 trillion dollars, and growing yearly, in debt something that was any good at creating wealth.


    The government is basically a service industry, that produces very little in the over all scheme of things in the way of product. Their job is to spend the money they take in. But that single standard they are now, and have been failing for a long time. Much of the services they provide are needed and wanted by most people, but they have become like pigs that think they have a never ending supply of feed, and have grown bloated, under worked and over paid.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post

    Wait, did you actually did say that?
    Ever heard of education, the military, prosecutors, judges, or all those things?
    none of whom produce consumable products?

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    A private security force costs more money than the US military.
    man for man, that is incorrect.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would strongly suggest you research the TVA and what is has done for the people of that region.
    I come from that region. It choked out private market competitors; I didn't notice passing through that it had made us particularly wealthy.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    man for man, that is incorrect.
    That depends what time frame we're looking at.

    A short term period, a PMC is more expensive. Over the long term with pension and benefits, a PMC is cheaper.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    A privatized military? Was the Blackwater fiasco not enough??
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    man for man, that is incorrect.
    Oh you mean if we eliminate the all those pesky Veterans benefits.
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