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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    It creates no product and therefore no money........with out taking money from workers who produce a necessary and useable product needed to sustain life these government service jobs could not exist.

    Wait, did you actually did say that?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That isn't what the OP asks. It clearly asks if the government can create jobs. I'm still waiting for a reasoned justification as to why it can't.
    You still are missing the point.

    Sure, government can “create” jobs. But if, in order to do so, it is taking wealth out of the economy that, left in the private sector, would create more jobs than government would use that wealth to create, then, in effect, government is destroying more jobs than it is creating. The net effect is that no, government is not actually creating jobs; there are fewer people working than if government left that wealth in the private sector, where it would do more good.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You still are missing the point.

    Sure, government can “create” jobs. But if, in order to do so, it is taking wealth out of the economy that, left in the private sector, would create more jobs than government would use that wealth to create, then, in effect, government is destroying more jobs than it is creating. The net effect is that no, government is not actually creating jobs; there are fewer people working than if government left that wealth in the private sector, where it would do more good.
    Where are the private market jobs from the last 5 years of tax cuts provided to the "job creators?" As we have learned, the hard way, providing tax cuts to someone for the sole reason that they make over a certain amount of money, regardless of whether they create jobs or not, or even invest it in this country, isn't working for the middle class, it is just increasing our federal debt.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    That isn't what the OP asks. It clearly asks if the government can create jobs. I'm still waiting for a reasoned justification as to why it can't.
    The government can't create a job that produces anything that create wealth for the economy. Government jobs redestribute private money into the public sector.......but no new product of value is made......these are all service jobs......non-creative.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    The government can't create a job that produces anything that create wealth for the economy. Government jobs redestribute private money into the public sector.......but no new product of value is made......these are all service jobs......non-creative.
    I would strongly suggest you research the TVA and what is has done for the people of that region.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You still are missing the point.

    Sure, government can “create” jobs. But if, in order to do so, it is taking wealth out of the economy that, left in the private sector, would create more jobs than government would use that wealth to create, then, in effect, government is destroying more jobs than it is creating. The net effect is that no, government is not actually creating jobs; there are fewer people working than if government left that wealth in the private sector, where it would do more good.
    I would love to see the verifiable proof of those asserions and claims. Please do present it.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Where are the private market jobs from the last 5 years of tax cuts provided to the "job creators?" As we have learned, the hard way, providing tax cuts to someone for the sole reason that they make over a certain amount of money, regardless of whether they create jobs or not, or even invest it in this country, isn't working for the middle class, it is just increasing our federal debt.
    Your argument would get a lot more traction ( at least with me) if you called for getting rid of ALL the bush tax cuts. I just have a problem picking on one group in the name of "shared sacrifice". Never before did we lower taxes while heading into war. Correct the entire mistake.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Your argument would get a lot more traction ( at least with me) if you called for getting rid of ALL the bush tax cuts. I just have a problem picking on one group in the name of "shared sacrifice". Never before did we lower taxes while heading into war. Correct the entire mistake.
    I agree with that. We should repeal the entire thing lock stock and barrell.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Your argument would get a lot more traction ( at least with me) if you called for getting rid of ALL the bush tax cuts. I just have a problem picking on one group in the name of "shared sacrifice". Never before did we lower taxes while heading into war. Correct the entire mistake.
    If equal tax cuts had been given, what you say would make sense. But, as the rich received bigger tax cuts through cuts in investment returns and estate taxes, it does not now make sense when the middle class is already hurting, to continue the unequal situation.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    You still are missing the point.

    Sure, government can “create” jobs. But if, in order to do so, it is taking wealth out of the economy that, left in the private sector, would create more jobs than government would use that wealth to create, then, in effect, government is destroying more jobs than it is creating. The net effect is that no, government is not actually creating jobs; there are fewer people working than if government left that wealth in the private sector, where it would do more good.
    Quote Originally Posted by petaluna View Post
    The government can't create a job that produces anything that create wealth for the economy. Government jobs redestribute private money into the public sector.......but no new product of value is made......these are all service jobs......non-creative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I would love to see the verifiable proof of those asserions and claims. Please do present it.
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