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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    He's counting the number of registered users that voted and comparing that to the number of votes.
    The sad thing is you pointed this out and the immature prick who's doing this is still keeping it up. There are 13 (counting Ockam) votes for no yet 90 recorded. Do they realize that makes them look incredibly immature?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    again, if you destroy three bridges, and use the materials to build two bridges, i'm not certain you can be said to have "created bridges"
    That's "created bridges," not "net created bridges." Besides, don't old bridges sometimes have to be torn down?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Besides, don't old bridges sometimes have to be torn down?
    If you are talking about the social welfare nanny state, I agree that it should be torn down.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    1. it's not my interpretation. Madison was pretty clear on the matter. Even Alexander Hamilton (the most expansionist of that generation) argued that the Federal Government was held to its' enumerated powers.

    2. no where does the Constitution say that the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of what is constitutional. if I may cite another American president on the matter:


    3. it should be noted that there was an individual who argued in favor of your interpretation of the General Welfare clause. That was the anti-Federalist, Brutus, who argued that with a provision so potentially open to abuse, the Federal government might one day expand to the point where it interfered in the relationship between employer and employee, interfered with our vehicles, and even interfer with our toilets. He, of course, unanimously derided and decried as an insane conspiracy theorist by the Constitutions' authors, who held his argument up in public as an example of our nutter the anti-federalists were.





    huh. that's odd. they appear to have forgotten to put the bit about Judicial Supremacy in there?


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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    [QUOTE=obvious Child;1059843683]Let's do some math.

    Firm A generates $200 in sale revenue
    Firm A incurs $500 in costs.
    Firm A loses $300.

    By your argument, firm A has no revenue. Profit =/= Revenue.

    The citizens that worked private sector jobs were taxed for appropriate services.[/quote

    Last I checked, public workers were subject to the same taxes. Where do you live?



    To a degree yes, but you seem to be laboring under the notion that public workers pay no taxes.
    Of course they pay taxes...nowhere near enough to pay salaries...not even close. You know better. 10x 65,000.00 employees equals 650,000.00 plus facility and costs...they are going to pay after deductions and returns MAYBE 100 in state and local taxes apiece. Without the taxpayers there is an awful big hole there.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Of course they pay taxes
    Then you just called your earlier position wrong.

    nowhere near enough to pay salaries...not even close.
    Depends where they are. A combination of sales and property taxes can provide a substantial portion.

    [quite]You know better. 10x 65,000.00 employees equals 650,000.00 plus facility and costs...they are going to pay after deductions and returns MAYBE 100 in state and local taxes apiece. Without the taxpayers there is an awful big hole there.[/QUOTE]

    No one said there wasn't, but your argument to exclude public workers is rather idiotic.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Sure it can.

    OCTOBER 5, 2011, 1:58 P.M. ET
    Senate Democrats Propose 5% Surtax on Millionaires
    By COREY BOLES
    Senate Democrats Propose 5% Surtax on Millionaires - WSJ.com
    WASHINGTON—Senate Democrats proposed a 5% surtax on people earning more than $1 million a year to pay for the $447 billion cost of President Barack Obama's job-creation bill, in a move designed to shore up Democratic support for the measure.

    The proposal would replace the range of tax deductions for wealthy people, oil companies and other businesses that the president had proposed to end to offset the cost of the job-creation initiatives in his plan.
    [.....]
    Out of .1% T-bills and into Needed, real-infrastructure Jobs. (if correctly spent/executed)
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Then you just called your earlier position wrong.



    Depends where they are. A combination of sales and property taxes can provide a substantial portion.

    [quite]You know better. 10x 65,000.00 employees equals 650,000.00 plus facility and costs...they are going to pay after deductions and returns MAYBE 100 in state and local taxes apiece. Without the taxpayers there is an awful big hole there.
    No one said there wasn't, but your argument to exclude public workers is rather idiotic.[/QUOTE]Trying to have a discussion with a pathetic idiot that clings to semantics as the core of his arguments is the only idiotic thing about my exchanges with you...ever. I stated they dont turn a profit. The police force does NOT generate revenue. A city state and federal government will tax ALL workers...but the government collects taxes (revenues)...not the police force. Any private business has to collect enough revenue to sustain its operations and generate enough profit to make it viable. Government jobs do not turn a profit...ever. They require private sector employees to sustain them. Their services are even necessary, valid, valuable and worthwhile. But without private sector income there has never been nor will ever be enough money collected by government workers to sustain government workers.
    Like I said...attempting a discussion with people like you truly is idiotic. My bad.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    No one said there wasn't, but your argument to exclude public workers is rather idiotic.
    Trying to have a discussion with a pathetic idiot that clings to semantics as the core of his arguments is the only idiotic thing about my exchanges with you...ever. I stated they dont turn a profit. The police force does NOT generate revenue. A city state and federal government will tax ALL workers...but the government collects taxes (revenues)...not the police force. Any private business has to collect enough revenue to sustain its operations and generate enough profit to make it viable. Government jobs do not turn a profit...ever. They require private sector employees to sustain them. Their services are even necessary, valid, valuable and worthwhile. But without private sector income there has never been nor will ever be enough money collected by government workers to sustain government workers.
    Like I said...attempting a discussion with people like you truly is idiotic. My bad.[/QUOTE]

    The police provide a service....all govt jobs provide service ...private sector jobs profit is job one..and if less service provides more profit than you get less service for the more cost...smaller candy bar syndrome...could you even imagine if police and fire were profit driven...how would you offer competition to keep costs down...you cant compare public and private sector jobs....

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    again, if you destroy three bridges, and use the materials to build two bridges, i'm not certain you can be said to have "created bridges"
    I think your point here is being mostly missed.

    Perhaps those who don't get it will get it if it is rephrased to question whether government taking wealth out of the economy that would have created three jobs in the private sector, and spending it a manner that creates two government-funded jobs, can really be said to be “creating jobs”.
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