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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    I think when people say that they are meaning to say private sector jobs. In that sense, it is impossible for a government to directly create a private sector job but very possible for it to encourage private sector growth by a number of means be it tax credits, contracting for infrastructure and military, etc.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I think when people say that they are meaning to say private sector jobs. In that sense, it is impossible for a government to directly create a private sector job but very possible for it to encourage private sector growth by a number of means be it tax credits, contracting for infrastructure and military, etc.
    It's impossible for the government create jobs. 90+% of the government's money comes from the private sector; that being a fact, there's no way for the government to create jobs without private sector funding. IOW, the private sector pays for, ergo, creates those jobs.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

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    Government can create jobs.
    The real question is, "Do those jobs actually add value to the economy at large, over time?"
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Of course the government can create jobs. Whether the government will create jobs remains to be seen.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Come on everyone, look at who started this thread. Clearly he's up to his old tricks and wants to trap everyone. You're all falling for his fake-out. The answer is that government can't create jobs because governments are organizational structures and they don't have sentience. The correct answer is that people create jobs. People in government, people in private enterprise, and people as individuals. People have to decide to create a job, or to craft an administrative rule which permits other people to create a job. It's like Soylent Green. It always comes down to people.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    The government doesn't create jobs. The government is a job. We pay people to do things for the community we have established. The real question is how do we decide how much the government should be involved with things that private sector folks can do.

    If I live in a neighborhood, would I rather we all join a property owners' association and pay the association to have all of our yards landscaped? Or, would I rather take care of landscaping my own yard. What's more efficient? What brings about results in line with my interests?

    The property owners' association doesn't create the job. The job is there. The question is, does creating a property owners' association make it more likely the job will be done or done well? Or, does does the association (government) get in the way and create unneeded hindrances to get the job done. Or both?

    When a government "creates" a job out of thin air, it's not a real job ("Here, sit at this desk, and we'll give you money."). It's welfare.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by GreenvilleGrows View Post
    The government doesn't create jobs. The government is a job. We pay people to do things for the community we have established. The real question is how do we decide how much the government should be involved with things that private sector folks can do.

    If I live in a neighborhood, would I rather we all join a property owners' association and pay the association to have all of our yards landscaped? Or, would I rather take care of landscaping my own yard. What's more efficient? What brings about results in line with my interests?

    The property owners' association doesn't create the job. The job is there. The question is, does creating a property owners' association make it more likely the job will be done or done well? Or, does does the association (government) get in the way and create unneeded hindrances to get the job done. Or both?

    When a government "creates" a job out of thin air, it's not a real job ("Here, sit at this desk, and we'll give you money."). It's welfare.
    That does not even make sense in the real world. Your use of the pejorative WELFARE to label what millions of people do every day to improve their communities is insulting.

    Today is the tenth anniversary of 911. Take a moment and tell me about the people employed by the government who went into those buildings and saved thousands of lives who were not performing "a real job" and instead were on "welfare".

    Better yet, send your answer to the families of the dead government workers and the living who they saved. And if they get royally pissed at you and attempt to clean your clock I guess you should point out to them thats its nothing personal - just right wind ideology causing you to insult them.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Wow. Read what I said without so much bias. People employed by the government went into those buildings and saved thousands of lives. But, the government didn't create the job. The job was created by a tragedy (an invasion/attack). As a community, we decided that responding to that type of tragedy would be the responsibility of the government. We could also have said it would be the responsibility of a private company of some kind -- or, by volunteer citizens (which also happened by the way) -- or, by citizens who would be paid by the collective later. The are pro's and con's to all of the options.

    My use of "welfare" applied to made up jobs. "Sit here, do pretty much nothing, get paid." That's the only type of job the government "creates". Every other kind of "job" the government does is created by someone or something else (need, demand, capitalism, etc.). The government doesn't create the jobs.

    The government might organize, encourage, or discourage jobs - hopefully in the best interest of the collective. But, that's the job of the government. That job (government), by the way, was created partly by need and partly by the desire of citizens - like the property owners' association I referenced earlier. But, it needs to be closely regulated otherwise the waste begins to outweigh the benefits. (Like a property owners' association who pays a manager $100,000 annually to save $10,000 in annual landscaping).
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    government creates lots of jobs: Military, bureaucracy, etc

    whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is subject to much debate.
    Of course it is a good thing...But, both the private and public sectors can become bloated and inefficient...I do not / cannot know if this is the case...in government, but have seen many examples in the private sector.....

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Come on everyone, look at who started this thread. Clearly he's up to his old tricks and wants to trap everyone. You're all falling for his fake-out. The answer is that government can't create jobs because governments are organizational structures and they don't have sentience. The correct answer is that people create jobs. People in government, people in private enterprise, and people as individuals. People have to decide to create a job, or to craft an administrative rule which permits other people to create a job. It's like Soylent Green. It always comes down to people.
    Horse pucky! The gov't can create jobs. Scenario. The gov't passes legistlation that proactively fights global warming. Alternative and renewable energy are the logical weapons. Heavy tax credits to become off the grid, renewable energy households cause families to purchase products from emerging renewable energy suppliers. Generators, solar PV, solar thermal, insulation, windows, windmills, and all manner of products start being introduced at the "local" level. Making jobs for manufacturers, retailers, laborers, and all at end user "local" levels. After installing their products and starting to make their own energy, they now have monies that would have been paid outside their community for energy and will now be spent in their "local" communities and thus creating jobs to satisfy this new demand. That is how the gov't can create jobs and just one example. Now the status quo of big energy would lose money in this deal so there might be some backlash from the politicians they own. Global Warming, species endangerment, job creation and a proactive agenda. Let's get started.

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