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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So we have 40 REAL people voting government can.

    12 REAL people voting it can't, and one really immature prick spamming the vote 57 times in favor of can't. Seriously. Pathetic. Even for this place.
    How can you tell?
    For: legalizing drugs, gay marriage, abortion, guns, universal health care, public sector jobs, nuclear power, free education, progressive taxation
    Against: corporations, make-work, the 40 hour work week, intellectual property, imperialism, "homeland security," censorship

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    No you aren't. The firm existed prior to the loan. Stop making **** up and pretending someone else said it.
    The President said it would create jobs. It not only lost those new jobs, but lost the old ones too. That's not good.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    How can you tell?
    He's counting the number of registered users that voted and comparing that to the number of votes.

    For example, 42 people in total have voted for "yes it can". Additionally, 42 of those 42 people are all registered members whose names we can see.

    On the flip side 70 people have voted for "no it can't". However, only 12 of those 70 are actually registered members and one of them has stated they voted that way incorrectly (Ockham).

    So the only 58 votes in favor of "no it can't" come from unregistered people.

    We have a tendancy on threads that are near and dear to extreme hyper partisans to see the answer that dramatically fails when looking at the general membership somehow have an overwhelming majority of the "non-registered voters". This tends to be because an actual registered voter, mad that this pet hyper partisan issue is getting thoroughly trounced, decides to vote unregistered a ton of times so they can try and claim some kind of victory. Global Warming and Gay Marriage threads see this often.

    At times, unregistered votes are reasonably accurate. However, when registered members are going essentially 43 to 11 in favor one way and unregistered membesr are going 58 to 0 another its a pretty good guess that someone is screwing with the poll. Especially when that 43 is made up of a significant mix of people on both sides of the political aisle.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Of course government can create jobs. It's a fact. Government jobs wouldn't exist otherwise. I think the OP needs a more specific question

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Of course Government can create jobs. What it cannot create is self sustaining (or self funding) jobs. There is no profit, nor will there ever be a fee structure, that can carry the cost of those jobs.

    The issue is getting government of all levels to understand that they have an obligation to create jobs only to the minimum level necessary to fulfill thier responsibilities to the citizens. In the real world unfortunately government players with the power to do so tend to build their own kingdoms and keep looking to grow their power through increasing the size of their organizations and their areas of influence/control (new responsibilities/programs/etc).

    Government jobs carry with them ling tail costs - ie defined benefit and generous pensions. Since there is np accountability for providsing a means of funding these benefits - other than increased taxes, we have what we have.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You mean just as some whine about cutting military spending by two-thirds?
    it's not exactly whining to point out that eating seed corn is only good for you in the short term.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And fortunately, the founders of the Constitution understood that times and circumstances would change and provided a process for those changes to be implemented by we the people.
    that's correct. that process, of course, is known as the amendment process. if you can point me to the Amendment establishing all these things, I would be most fascinated to hear about it, as my Constitution is evidently out of date.

    None of the candidates that call for the elimination of the Education and Transportation have a snowballs chance in hell of winning a general election.
    Obama is running in a 9% unemployment atmosphere. your hyperbole aside, every single candidate on that stage - to include bachmann - has a better than the chance you are ascribing to them. Ron Paul has polled within single-digits of Obama multiple times. Paul, Bachmann, and Johnson have all said they would abolish the DOE immediately, and every other candidate has called for greatly restricting and shrinking their role.

    It is why the libertarian party only receive 0.4% of the vote in the last election.
    yeah? how did the Tea Party Republicans do in 2010?

    What????????? That might require some more explanation there, you think?
    not to mention a few more question marks . You made the argument that the fed had the right to impede upon the rights of individuals and states for any reason that was deemed "for the greater good". I pointed out that the current US Citizenry is failing to produce itself, which means eventually it will die out - but that prior to that, it will go through a societal collapse; the first strains of which we are seeing right now in Greece, as not enough workers come up to replace and support too many retirees. Ergo, using your logic that the Fed must intercede in our freedom of movement to force us to place higher priorities on things than we would ourselves, the Federal Government has a mandate to penalize/criminalize homosexuality, and incentivize/force women to serve as baby-makers. It is, after all, for the Greater Good.

    "New knowledge is the most valuable commodity on earth. The more truth we have to work with, the richer we become."
    - Kurt Vonnegut, Breakfast of Champions
    see.... the difference there? is that my quote made sense in the context.

    Before unions, minorities and the mentally impaired were not allowed in schools with the "normal" white kids.
    that is correct. and, after unions, minorities and the mentally impaired were not allowed in schools with the "normal" white kids. what was your point supposed to be? something explaining why our costs have exploded even as our results have stagnated or dropped?

    Charter schools were supposed to be the market place alternative to public schools
    supposed to be - but only if a market is allowed to function. for a market to function, consumers must be able to choose between competing products. hence, the parental choice movement, to put choice into education. if public-union/public-school advocates were really so sure that their alternative was superior, they would welcome this opportunity to prove so, and justify the money we spend on them. that instead they hate, fear, and rally against it is most telling.

    Obama's support is still head and shoulders above the support given to the libertarian views you espouse.
    Obama is significantly less than 50% likely to be president come February 2013. the main agenda in 2012 will not be the DOE, but 1 Jobs and 2 budgetary/entitlement reform.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No problem my friend, we just have to eliminate the tax cuts for the rich to repay the money taken from it to pay for the unfunded wars and raise the cap on FICA, and SS is set for the foreseeable future!
    sadly, that is not correct. there is literally not enough money in the world to make our entitlement system solvent.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    The goverment can enforce stricter rules, and much higher importation cost on all those large corporations that have closed down in America, and relocated overseas.

    All those thousands of large American companies in Indonesia, China, Pakistan, India, Central America, Mexico....Crucify those turn-coat bastards.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's not exactly whining to point out that eating seed corn is only good for you in the short term.
    Ultra-conservative Ron Paul explains the distinction very well here between defense spending and unnecessary spending on the military-industrial complex:

    Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb

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