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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The source of most of our debt is not the Dept of Education, look to the unfunded wars, bloated military coupled with tax cuts for the rich. I agree we need to cut spending, but we have to be smart rather than short-sighted about where we make the cuts, and we need to eliminate the tax breaks for the rich to increase our revenue.
    It is stupid to jeopardize education that is vital for our future while simultaneously providing tax cuts to those that don't need them.
    Last edited by Catawba; 09-28-11 at 03:27 AM.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post

    Maybe you would be happy if we could just kick the "loser" States out of the Union
    If you are in a 'loser' state, maybe you should have greater involvement with your local and state government. Maybe if the state was more responsible for their own services there would be a greater level of ownership and involvement. Its kinda funny...one of us actually BELIEVES in the role of the state...the other thinks states are 'losers (FTR...that would be you)...but basically...geezus, son...you go quick to the drama queen role for an old guy.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is stupid to jeopardize education that is vital for our future while simultaneously providing tax cuts to those that don't need them.
    You and the other fed dependents are the only ones pretending that 1-under the fed involvement education is thriving and 2-those poor widdle states cant be responsible for their education needs. Geez...are you STILL attached to an umbilical cord too?

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    If you are in a 'loser' state, maybe you should have greater involvement with your local and state government. Maybe if the state was more responsible for their own services there would be a greater level of ownership and involvement. Its kinda funny...one of us actually BELIEVES in the role of the state...the other thinks states are 'losers (FTR...that would be you)...but basically...geezus, son...you go quick to the drama queen role for an old guy.
    Not much to talk about here you are just on a rampage. *PLONK*

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    We have no shortage of workers,
    in fact we do.
    In 1940, there were 42 workers per retiree. In 1950, the ratio was 16-to-1. Today, there are 3.3 workers per retiree, and within 40 years, it’s projected that there will be just two workers per retiree. At the present rate, as the population ages and life expectancies continue to rise, the system will not be able to sustain itself into the future without major reform....
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post

    Not much to talk about here you are just on a rampage. *PLONK*
    Well...you could talk about your incessant dependence on the fed...or the actual topic. You could even make a post that wasnt a little one line drama driven drivel that sounds like it comes from someone on a Jerry Springer show. Seriously...you and several others here are the ones that CALL states losers, YOU pretend someone else is attacking the states, then act all miffed when I point it out.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Would you mind quoting the part where they share your view that the Depts. of Education and Transportation should be abolished? Thanks!



    indeed - there are specified areas where the Federal Government is given authority. Madison called these "distinct and enumerated" powers.
    And fortunately, the founders of the Constitution understood that times and circumstances would change and provided a process for those changes to be implemented by we the people.



    it seems an increasing portion of the populace shares my interpretation; and Republican Candidates are announcing their intent to either end or severely curtail the Department of Education.
    None of the candidates that call for the elimination of the Education and Transportation have a snowballs chance in hell of winning a general election. It is why the libertarian party only receive 0.4% of the vote in the last election.



    and some states might choose not to force their people to breed, which would mean a loss for the country as a whole.
    What????????? That might require some more explanation there, you think?


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    thanks to public sector unions our education spending over the past few decades has exploded, even while test scores have generally flatlined, and drop-out rates have increased, especially in our minority populations. any attempt to reform the system to allow our poor a way into a more successful system is consistently and often effectively opposed by the Unions whose failure it highlights.
    Before unions, minorities and the mentally impaired were not allowed in schools with the "normal" white kids. Charter schools were supposed to be the market place alternative to public schools. Only 17% that were exclusive because of costs attained better scores than public schools.



    even Democrats are abandoning Obama now. he's toast.

    Obama's support is still head and shoulders above the support given to the libertarian views you espouse.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You and the other fed dependents are the only ones pretending that 1-under the fed involvement education is thriving and 2-those poor widdle states cant be responsible for their education needs. Geez...are you STILL attached to an umbilical cord too?

    All I can suggest is you vote for the libertarian candidate that shares your views. With your support, who knows, they may just break the 1% of voters mark next year!
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in fact we do.
    No problem my friend, we just have to eliminate the tax cuts for the rich to repay the money taken from it to pay for the unfunded wars and raise the cap on FICA, and SS is set for the foreseeable future!
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Government can create jobs.
    The real question is, "Do those jobs actually add value to the economy at large, over time?"
    Abolish all govt, federal, state, local law enforcement...then decide if they have a value...firemen too while your at it and EMTs and all first responders....get rid of teachers and have to babysit your own brats all day...of course govt jobs have a value...they are taken for granted because since the day you were born they were always there for you and most people view them as part of their life..
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