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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Then you honestly believe a bloated federal bureaucracy would make a difference? Just plain silly. It amazes me how readily people kneel at the alter of a federal government that has shown itself to be so incredibly incompetent.
    So you would be cool with say Kentucky teaching young earth creationism as fact and that dinosaur bones were put here by devil?

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
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    You going to reply to this or pretend it does not exist because it blows solar system size holes in your arguments?
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    No one denies infrastructure is necessary. No one denies there are levels of necessary spending. My earlier comments stand...I will create MILLIONS of jobs. I will send out armies of people to pick up trash...perform free babysitting, clean graffiti. All YOU have to do is give me the money. We wont charge anyone for the service (other than you-and dont worry...if you dont have the money you can pass the cost on to your kids...and your grandkids). You wont get a say in who I hire or what I have them do. We wont show a profit. But hey...THEY will have jobs. And your grandchildren will be stuck with the bill. Who cares how much it costs?

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    So you would be cool with say Kentucky teaching young earth creationism as fact and that dinosaur bones were put here by devil?
    You may have missed it there ace, but Kentucky can do it NOW...even with a bloated fed bureaucracy. Again...its absolutely PATHETIC the faith you put in the federal government. Not surprising...but pathetic.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so selfish of us Americans, to want to live free of the tender controls of our Superiors.
    Only 0.4% of voters feel that the Departments of Education and transportation are tyrannical.



    we had a civil war fundamentally over slavery, and fundamentally because of the attempt to impose a federal solution.
    And rightfully so, considering some of the states solutions were to continue slavery.

    now, there are areas where the Federal Government has the right to impose its' will on the states. Those Areas are listed in the Constitution (Article I, Section 8, for example); and slavery is one of those areas. Education is not one of those areas. We call this system "federalism". you may recall having heard about it in school - though I imagine you went to a public school, so I won't hold it against you if you didn't.
    Yes, the libertarian party shares in your interpretation of the Constitution, I would suggest you vote for their candidate since you share their views.


    I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I oppose handing that mission to our least efficient level of government. That's like asking your loser high-school-drop-out brother in law to do your taxes for you.
    Just as some states saw nothing wrong with enslaving people, some states might wish to place lesser priority on education and transportation that would not consider what was the greater good for the country as a whole.



    agreed! so you will stand with us as we move to break the power of the public sector unions which stand against improving it?
    The unions have improved education for the highest percentage of all the people.



    looks like someone didn't watch the Fox/Google Republican debates
    Are you referring to Ron Paul, or one of the others candidates with even less of chance of winning a general election?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    [QUOTE=VanceMack;1059831485]You may have missed it there ace, but Kentucky can do it NOW..{/QUOTE]

    I don't think they can at least not in a science class.

    .even with a bloated fed bureaucracy. Again...its absolutely PATHETIC the faith you put in the federal government. Not surprising...but pathetic.
    Because I believe all 50 states should be held to educational standards regarding evolution it equates to faith?

    Your obvious dislike of your country is what is really pathetic.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    we have a birthrate that is barely at replacement levels - in fact, among citizens, our birthrate is below replacement levels. When birthrates drop off, of course, they tend to destroy a nation over time. no country, for example, has ever come back once its' fertility rate has fallen below 1.8. Among westernized nations, the trend is increasingly demonstrated in the failure of the entitlement programs - not enough young workers exist to continue to prop up elderly retirees. That is why Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Spain are doomed to collapse - there is no bailout that can go backwards in time 30 years and fix Greece's 1.2 fertility rate to give her more workers. Greece, instead, is doomed, and the only real question is the extent to which the rest of Europe is willing to waste themselves trying to prop it up.

    In the interest of acting for the greater good of ALL American people, therefore, I suppose we can expect you to begin agitating for the outlawing of homosexuality, and the mandating of child-rearing by women?
    We have no shortage of workers, we have a shortage of jobs due to the last 30 years of trickle down economics that has eroded the middle class buying power.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You hardly need to be a Harvard Economists to realize that the 200k is entirely retarded. The 200k assumes that there is no tax levied on that income and none of the income is spent. Does that sound like an intelligent argument you should be making?

    PS. I'm snotty because you are arrogant and wrong.
    Hey, Obviously a Child...your tax argument aside...how much sustained national debt will your grandchildren be paying for the LAST round of 'stimulus' debt? Long term thinking (or...just...you know...thinking) not really a strong suit for ya huh? Lets see...400 billion (rounded down) added to the last 800 billion...added to the existing debt...plus the reduction in credit rating...ummm...carry the two...so...you are cool with your grandkids and great-grandkids (assuming the nads actually drop and you pull off the feat) paying for more and more federal debt that YOU endorsed. Well...makes sense.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You may have missed it there ace, but Kentucky can do it NOW..{/QUOTE]

    I don't think they can at least not in a science class.



    Because I believe all 50 states should be held to educational standards regarding evolution it equates to faith?

    Your obvious dislike of your country is what is really pathetic.
    I dislike a worthless federal government that cant get out of its own way. I dislike 15.5 trillion in debt and counting. And yeah...silly me for believing the citizens of each state ought to be responsible for their education costs, goals, and standards. Pathetic? Crippled and dependent pets that feel a desperate need to have the fed take care of them....pathetic. And if you dont trust your citizens of your state...well...stop looking at everyone else to address your constant failings already.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I dislike a worthless federal government that cant get out of its own way. I dislike 15.5 trillion in debt and counting. And yeah...silly me for believing the citizens of each state ought to be responsible for their education costs, goals, and standards. Pathetic? Crippled and dependent pets that feel a desperate need to have the fed take care of them....pathetic. And if you dont trust your citizens of your state...well...stop looking at everyone else to address your constant failings already.
    Maybe you would be happy if we could just kick the "loser" States out of the Union

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Only 0.4% of voters feel that the Departments of Education and transportation are tyrannical.
    Gallop: 49% of Americans believe the Federal Government has become an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens

    And rightfully so, considering some of the states solutions were to continue slavery.
    indeed - there are specified areas where the Federal Government is given authority. Madison called these "distinct and enumerated" powers.

    Yes, the libertarian party shares in your interpretation of the Constitution, I would suggest you vote for their candidate since you share their views.
    it seems an increasing portion of the populace shares my interpretation; and Republican Candidates are announcing their intent to either end or severely curtail the Department of Education.

    Just as some states saw nothing wrong with enslaving people, some states might wish to place lesser priority on education and transportation that would not consider what was the greater good for the country as a whole.
    and some states might choose not to force their people to breed, which would mean a loss for the country as a whole.

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baronís cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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    The unions have improved education for the highest percentage of all the people.


    thanks to public sector unions our education spending over the past few decades has exploded, even while test scores have generally flatlined, and drop-out rates have increased, especially in our minority populations. any attempt to reform the system to allow our poor a way into a more successful system is consistently and often effectively opposed by the Unions whose failure it highlights.

    Are you referring to Ron Paul, or one of the others candidates with even less of chance of winning a general election?
    even Democrats are abandoning Obama now. he's toast.
    Last edited by cpwill; 09-28-11 at 03:26 AM.

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