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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do they sell those products and in a substantial manner so as to turn a profit and make the organization self-sustainable/self funding?
    It's called licensing. Not to mention patents. But what you do not realize is that NASA is in many ways the same as the defense industry. Government funds breakthroughs that the private sector commercializes. To say "no wealth is created" is to basically pretend that every drug, manufacturing process and applied material that was created by the government is not wealth. That would be stupid.

    then the answer is no...they dont create wealth.
    By that measure, mining gold but breaking even does not create wealth, even what you "created" that will far appreciate the costs to dig it out. Is that intelligent?

    Could you run a business where you demanded others pay your start-up costs, salaries of employees, make something you want to make regardless of the market, operate at a loss, and still consider yourself a viable business? Of course not.
    You'd be surprised how many businesses actually do that.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And apparently, even though they know each new 'job' actually costs the taxpayers about 200k, they still find it is worth it.
    That only holds true if the person in the new job spends no money, eats no food, pays no taxes, has no housing and only spends time at work like a robot.

    The 200k number has been thoroughly debunked as stupid and only used by the economically illiterate. You going to be illiterate or actually show you understand economics?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I concur with the majority of voters that it is important to have federal oversight of programs that are of vital interest to our country as a whole. To me that overrides a few individual wants or sense of fairness to themselves personally. It is the federal governments role to act in the best interest of the greater good for ALL of its people, IMO.
    we have a birthrate that is barely at replacement levels - in fact, among citizens, our birthrate is below replacement levels. When birthrates drop off, of course, they tend to destroy a nation over time. no country, for example, has ever come back once its' fertility rate has fallen below 1.8. Among westernized nations, the trend is increasingly demonstrated in the failure of the entitlement programs - not enough young workers exist to continue to prop up elderly retirees. That is why Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Spain are doomed to collapse - there is no bailout that can go backwards in time 30 years and fix Greece's 1.2 fertility rate to give her more workers. Greece, instead, is doomed, and the only real question is the extent to which the rest of Europe is willing to waste themselves trying to prop it up.

    In the interest of acting for the greater good of ALL American people, therefore, I suppose we can expect you to begin agitating for the outlawing of homosexuality, and the mandating of child-rearing by women?

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Let's look at this another way. The jobs at Solyndra were created by the Federal Government. They sort of went away, but if it weren't for the Federal Government, those jobs would not have been created... and then lost.
    Come again? Solyndra existed prior to the loan.

    If the jobs at Solyndra were created by the Federal government, then it would first be a government agency and all the money would have been from the government. That is not the case.

    You going to start using facts or just keep blabbering?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    They actually create jobs in two ways. \

    The direct spending on the projects. A generally short term job creator for the life of the construction (excluding of course the maintance of the infrustructure.

    The second way is for the transportation network (ie roads) is that it makes business far more efficient allowing for the rapid transport of goods across the nation and into the world at large. Imagine how inefficient domestic US travel would be if everyone was travelling on 2 lane highways rather then the interstate freeways. That promotes jobs, private sector jobs created through government spending

    The Hoover Dam, is creating jobs in three ways. The electricity it produces allowing for business to run efficiently and cheaply as hydro power is fairly cheap. Tourism jobs as people come to see the dam and boat on the resivoir(sp). Third by providing water to the various cities and agriculture in the area. No Hoover Dam, many of the jobs in the region would not exist
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    You going to reply to this or pretend it does not exist because it blows solar system size holes in your arguments?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And if states decide they do not want to place a high priority for public education or transportation, what then?
    Then you honestly believe a bloated federal bureaucracy would make a difference? Just plain silly. It amazes me how readily people kneel at the alter of a federal government that has shown itself to be so incredibly incompetent.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    I have no problem with oversight, but that is not what you were talking about. If the Federal government wants to admonish a state for not providing decent education and threaten to withhold funds from other areas fine. But to say they will fund one state over another just seems wrong. Plus we know that when politicians do something like this, more than the kid's education comes into play.
    I'm not opposed to cutting waste from any federal department or program. I was referring earlier to cpwills notion that the Departments of Education and Transportation should be eliminated. Also, I can see that children, who we will depend on for the future of the country should not have to endure an inferior education, because of screwed up priorities of the people that run a particular state. I see the countries transportation system in the same light, as it benefits the whole country, not just the citizens of that state.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    HAHAHHAHA

    In typical losing fashion, someone's spamming the poll anonymously.

    I bet I can guess who's the immature one here. The fact that the person doing it didn't know the poll was PUBLIC is a big help in figure out who it is.

    All my polls are public for this reason. It's easy to figure out who's the immature one who relies upon spamming a poll rather than making a decent argument.
    Last edited by obvious Child; 09-28-11 at 02:58 AM.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That only holds true if the person in the new job spends no money, eats no food, pays no taxes, has no housing and only spends time at work like a robot.

    The 200k number has been thoroughly debunked as stupid and only used by the economically illiterate. You going to be illiterate or actually show you understand economics?
    I'll let the Harvard economists fight that fight. I'll let Geitner and his own words stand for themselves. And I'll let your own snotty little comments speak for you.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I'll let the Harvard economists fight that fight. I'll let Geitner and his own words stand for themselves. And I'll let your own snotty little comments speak for you.
    You hardly need to be a Harvard Economists to realize that the 200k is entirely retarded. The 200k assumes that there is no tax levied on that income and none of the income is spent. Does that sound like an intelligent argument you should be making?

    PS. I'm snotty because you are arrogant and wrong.
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