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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    You wouldnt be shortchanging it, you would be eliminating federal bureaucracy. Education occurs at the state level, which, by happy coincidence, also has education departments. States also manage their own transportation departments. IMAGINE how much more effective they would be if they didnt have to dump taxes into a bloated and wasteful federal system.
    And if states decide they do not want to place a high priority for public education or transportation, what then?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by LesGovt View Post
    Personally, I think we should not cut one person in the constitutionally authorized military.
    Then you would not be addressing our most wasteful spending and the source of most of our national debt. The Constitution only authorizes defense. By cutting our military expenditures by 2/3s we would still be the most powerful military on the planet.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    And if states decide they do not want to place a high priority for public education or transportation, what then?
    precisely. if you leave people free to make their own decisions, they might make ones we disagree with.

    thank God we don't live in a country where crap like that can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    precisely. if you leave people free to make their own decisions, they might make ones we disagree with.

    thank God we don't live in a country where crap like that can happen.
    And you think that having a less educated populace with an inferior transportation system would benefit the country, or do you just not care?
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    I think that we live in a nation where the people are sovereign, and have a government, not the other way around .

    If (say) the citizens of Georgia decide that they want to replace much of their educational system with a series of youtube videos and monitored tests, then I may think that's a poor decision - but guess what? Disagreeing with them doesn't make me king.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I think that we live in a nation where the people are sovereign, and have a government, not the other way around .

    If (say) the citizens of Georgia decide that they want to replace much of their educational system with a series of youtube videos and monitored tests, then I may think that's a poor decision - but guess what? Disagreeing with them doesn't make me king.
    To say your view is short sighted and selfish would be an understatement. We had a civil war because states did not consider what was in the best interest of the country or all of its people. To be competitive in the world requires a well educated populace and a efficient transportation system. It is too vital to the country's economy and well being to do otherwise.

    However, there is a party that espouses your views, and during the last election those views received 0.4% of the voters support. It would appear that 99.6% of the voters do not share those views.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    To say your view is short sighted and selfish would be an understatement. We had a civil war because states did not consider what was in the best interest of the country or all of its people. To be competitive in the world requires a well educated populace and a efficient transportation system. It is too vital to the country's economy and well being to do otherwise.

    However, there is a party that espouses your views, and during the last election those views received 0.4% of the voters support. It would appear that 99.6% of the voters do not share those views.
    About 90% of spending for education comes from state and local governments. Let's assume that the federal government would only spend money in places where the local government decides it does not want to do it. Just a fairness question, if I pay high property taxes to insure that the public schools in my town are top notch, why is it fair for me to also pay federal income tax to pay for the next town over that has lower property taxes because they don't fund their schools. Not to even get into the issue as to how the federal government can decide which of the thousands of school districts are underfunded. Also impossible to say you are sending money to a state or local government to pay for teachers as money is FUNGIBLE. All the government gets to do is throw money into a state coffer. Seems like an attempt to help out states like Ill. and Calif, that refuse to pay their on pay, The Greece and Ireland of America.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    About 90% of spending for education comes from state and local governments. Let's assume that the federal government would only spend money in places where the local government decides it does not want to do it. Just a fairness question, if I pay high property taxes to insure that the public schools in my town are top notch, why is it fair for me to also pay federal income tax to pay for the next town over that has lower property taxes because they don't fund their schools. Not to even get into the issue as to how the federal government can decide which of the thousands of school districts are underfunded. Also impossible to say you are sending money to a state or local government to pay for teachers as money is FUNGIBLE. All the government gets to do is throw money into a state coffer. Seems like an attempt to help out states like Ill. and Calif, that refuse to pay their on pay, The Greece and Ireland of America.
    I concur with the majority of voters that it is important to have federal oversight of programs that are of vital interest to our country as a whole. To me that overrides a few individual wants or sense of fairness to themselves personally. It is the federal governments role to act in the best interest of the greater good for ALL of its people, IMO.
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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I concur with the majority of voters that it is important to have federal oversight of programs that are of vital interest to our country as a whole. To me that overrides a few individual wants or sense of fairness to themselves personally. It is the federal governments role to act in the best interest of the greater good for ALL of its people, IMO.
    I have no problem with oversight, but that is not what you were talking about. If the Federal government wants to admonish a state for not providing decent education and threaten to withhold funds from other areas fine. But to say they will fund one state over another just seems wrong. Plus we know that when politicians do something like this, more than the kid's education comes into play.

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    Re: Government can't create jobs

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    To say your view is short sighted and selfish would be an understatement.
    so selfish of us Americans, to want to live free of the tender controls of our Superiors.

    We had a civil war because states did not consider what was in the best interest of the country or all of its people.
    we had a civil war fundamentally over slavery, and fundamentally because of the attempt to impose a federal solution.

    now, there are areas where the Federal Government has the right to impose its' will on the states. Those Areas are listed in the Constitution (Article I, Section 8, for example); and slavery is one of those areas. Education is not one of those areas. We call this system "federalism". you may recall having heard about it in school - though I imagine you went to a public school, so I won't hold it against you if you didn't.

    To be competitive in the world requires a well educated populace and a efficient transportation system.
    I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I oppose handing that mission to our least efficient level of government. That's like asking your loser high-school-drop-out brother in law to do your taxes for you.

    It is too vital to the country's economy and well being to do otherwise.
    agreed! so you will stand with us as we move to break the power of the public sector unions which stand against improving it?

    However, there is a party that espouses your views, and during the last election those views received 0.4% of the voters support
    looks like someone didn't watch the Fox/Google Republican debates

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