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  • Yes, it's a commodity subject to the market of wages offered

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    OK, in the interests of fairness, you can replace "completely" with "almost entirely." I will stand by that position, though. If you're looking for more evidence, here's one of my favorites that I managed to dig up:
    He is right, many people from poor backgrounds get good educations. Poor choices are a major reason why people are poor-you stay in school, don't breed before you are married and don't do drugs you have less than 5% chance of being in poverty



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    A liberal definition I kind of liked:


    I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

    I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    He is right, many people from poor backgrounds get good educations. Poor choices are a major reason why people are poor-you stay in school, don't breed before you are married and don't do drugs you have less than 5% chance of being in poverty
    As I said. You always fail to consider people as products of their society.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    As I said. You always fail to consider people as products of their society.
    Uh another completely idiotic claim.

    why do you make so many excuses for destructive pathologies?



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Michael H View Post
    A liberal definition I kind of liked:


    I believe in human dignity as the source of national purpose, in human liberty as the source of national action, in the human heart as the source of national compassion, and in the human mind as the source of our invention and our ideas. It is, I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

    I believe also in the United States of America, in the promise that it contains and has contained throughout our history of producing a society so abundant and creative and so free and responsible that it cannot only fulfill the aspirations of its citizens, but serve equally well as a beacon for all mankind. I do not believe in a superstate. I see no magic in tax dollars which are sent to Washington and then returned. I abhor the waste and incompetence of large-scale federal bureaucracies in this administration as well as in others. I do not favor state compulsion when voluntary individual effort can do the job and do it well. But I believe in a government which acts, which exercises its full powers and full responsibilities. Government is an art and a precious obligation; and when it has a job to do, I believe it should do it. And this requires not only great ends but that we propose concrete means of achieving them.
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    I like this. I have always wondered, if people have no dignity, than what is the point of having a society to live in?

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    As I said. You always fail to consider people as products of their society.
    Anything to keep from forcing people to take personal responsibility for their lives, eh?
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Workers without work to do are pointless. Workers without direction have nothing to do.
    I would beg to differ.


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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Conservatives, on the other hand, believe that people are completely independent of their society, and that a black kid from the projects has just as much chance to succeed as a rich white kid with private tutors.
    No, you missed the point. Conservatives believe that if individuals act in their own self interest that society, as a whole, will be better off.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No, you missed the point. Conservatives believe that if individuals act in their own self interest that society, as a whole, will be better off.
    libs pretend that their individual "best interest" is best for everyone



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    No, you missed the point. Conservatives believe that if individuals act in their own self interest that society, as a whole, will be better off.
    Yup - they believe that being selfish and self centered somehow someway as if by magic makes society as a whole better.

    The sheer stupidity of that dwarfs the largest mountain on earth.
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