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Thread: Is Labor a Commodity?

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    It is a commodity, but if a person can't make enough to support his family, that doesn't help anybody. No extra money = no purchases, which drives the economy downward. Plus, not enough money to buy food increases demand on charities and welfare programs. Not enough to pay rent results in more homelessness. None of which is helpful to anyone.


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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yes they did. I did not include it because I - as i assume most parents - had a very different level of involvement in their K-12 education as opposed to their college education.
    fair enough-that makes perfect sense



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Workers without work to do are pointless. Workers without direction have nothing to do.
    The above is PRECISELY why I rejected the current system as inherently flawed as a little kid. The fact that peoples lives were utterly dependent on a completely artificial system.

    I have actually spent my life collecting skills so that I WON'T be dependent on said system, so your above statement does not apply to me.

    And this is the heart of my concerns with our current expression of capitalism.

    That the economic system so many venerate ITSELF creates and depends on an unacceptable degree of dependence on entities that are amoral by nature.

    I understand you come from a practical and realistic place, pleas don't take this as a personal attack. I also understand what you MEANT, and you are correct.

    That first part was one of those bubbles up and must come out things, and was more in response to the words you chose themselves. They evoked an unintended emotional response from me. But I ain't mad or anything!
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure, they'd rather be home playing video games or hanging out with their friends. Hell, I'd rather be doing that than going to work every day, but everyone has to be instilled with a sense of responsibility to do what they're supposed to do, whether they like it or not. Who cares if you like it? Who cares if it's fun? It's part of growing up. Too bad so many people never do.
    What's the point in living if you're not having fun? I don't know what you believe, but I'm not trying to impress anyone so I can get rewarded after I die. I'm here to enjoy myself. Aside from that, students learn a lot better if they're actually enjoying and engaged in the lesson. There are a lot of teaching video games out there, and I think there's even more potential. And of course, if school projects are designed right, you can do them while you hang out with your friends. You're never going to make everything in school fun, but you can definitely do enough to shift school to a general positive instead of a general negative.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    I'm just going to say it. This is an absolutely idiotic discussion. Yes, labor is a commodity. No, it is not slavery to sale your labor/time....you own the time and you chose to sell it...do we not know what slavery is?

    And why do we need someone else to provide for us? You aren't skilled enough to garner wages that aren't a "living wage" and some how that's the employers problem? Societies problem? Why isn't that your problem?
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I'm just going to say it. This is an absolutely idiotic discussion. Yes, labor is a commodity. No, it is not slavery to sale your labor/time....you own the time and you chose to sell it...do we not know what slavery is?

    And why do we need someone else to provide for us? You aren't skilled enough to garner wages that aren't a "living wage" and some how that's the employers problem? Societies problem? Why isn't that your problem?
    Because responsibility is a bad word for liberals. It's never their fault. Society is always to blame.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because responsibility is a bad word for liberals. It's never their fault. Society is always to blame.
    to get rid of rights you have to get rid of responsibilities as well



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because responsibility is a bad word for liberals. It's never their fault. Society is always to blame.
    i am now and always have been on the left side of politics. I live my life extremely conservatively in terms of life style, habits, values and all those sort of personal behavior components. I view responsibility as being essential to both individuals and to all of society.

    You are making broad statements which are simply unsubstantiated.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Because responsibility is a bad word for liberals. It's never their fault. Society is always to blame.
    Conservatives, on the other hand, believe that people are completely independent of their society, and that a black kid from the projects has just as much chance to succeed as a rich white kid with private tutors.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Conservatives, on the other hand, believe that people are completely independent of their society, and that a black kid from the projects has just as much chance to succeed as a rich white kid with private tutors.
    find one post that comes close to justifying that



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