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  • Yes, it's a commodity subject to the market of wages offered

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    The thing about humans is that we instinctively want to learn. It'll happen naturally as long as you don't put kids in an environment that's extremely hostile to learning. Like, you know, a modern school.
    There's nothing hostile in modern schools. Both of my kids are in modern schools and both getting straight A's. They both want to learn and they do. Try again.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's nothing hostile in modern schools. Both of my kids are in modern schools and both getting straight A's. They both want to learn and they do. Try again.
    Well, I was mostly being facetious. I think what I said does hold true in a lot of situations, though. It depends on both the school and the kid in question. This thread isn't really about education, though.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    There's nothing hostile in modern schools. Both of my kids are in modern schools and both getting straight A's. They both want to learn and they do. Try again.
    You should change your statement to

    I have found nothing hostile in the school my children attend.

    beyond that, you really cannot say for sure one way or the other.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You should change your statement to

    I have found nothing hostile in the school my children attend.

    beyond that, you really cannot say for sure one way or the other.
    Sure, but I can expand that to any school I've ever had any experience with, plus I have friends who are teachers and they'll tell you the same thing. The problem, in general, isn't the schools, it's the attitudes of the kids and their parents.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure, but I can expand that to any school I've ever had any experience with, plus I have friends who are teachers and they'll tell you the same thing. The problem, in general, isn't the schools, it's the attitudes of the kids and their parents.
    Where do you think the attitudes of the kids come from? Did you ever stop and think about why 90 percent of kids dread school? It shouldn't be that way. Like I said, we're programed to enjoy learning. If we're not, we're doing something wrong.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The fact remains that this magic $7 or 8 dollars per hour that YOU want to believe is produced solely by market forces IS NOT.



    to whom? How is this decision reached? Are you saying we should teach nothing that is outside of a skill needed for a specific trade or skill?
    I oppose minimum wage legislation as both violating the constitutional prohibition as embodied by the tenth amendment and being contrary to economic reality.

    people need to have skills that are needed. for example. at one time knowing how to use a broadsword or a sling was an important skill. same with being able to ride a horse or to make buggy whips.

    right now-not so much



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Sure, but I can expand that to any school I've ever had any experience with, plus I have friends who are teachers and they'll tell you the same thing. The problem, in general, isn't the schools, it's the attitudes of the kids and their parents.
    some ethnic groups value education they are the ones who make up say 2 percent of the US population and have 30% of the students at top law and medical schools

    or dominate engineering schools

    than there are other groups that don't value education and have tons of their members dropping out of high school



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Where do you think the attitudes of the kids come from? Did you ever stop and think about why 90 percent of kids dread school? It shouldn't be that way. Like I said, we're programed to enjoy learning. If we're not, we're doing something wrong.
    Sure, they'd rather be home playing video games or hanging out with their friends. Hell, I'd rather be doing that than going to work every day, but everyone has to be instilled with a sense of responsibility to do what they're supposed to do, whether they like it or not. Who cares if you like it? Who cares if it's fun? It's part of growing up. Too bad so many people never do.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    some ethnic groups value education they are the ones who make up say 2 percent of the US population and have 30% of the students at top law and medical schools

    or dominate engineering schools

    than there are other groups that don't value education and have tons of their members dropping out of high school
    And those are the ones who are usually on the welfare lines screaming they want to screw the wealthy because they deserve more stuff!
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I oppose minimum wage legislation as both violating the constitutional prohibition as embodied by the tenth amendment and being contrary to economic reality.

    people need to have skills that are needed. for example. at one time knowing how to use a broadsword or a sling was an important skill. same with being able to ride a horse or to make buggy whips.

    right now-not so much
    Wonderful - so you oppose it. That is irrelevant. The reality is that the figure you yourself point to - $7 or $8 per hours - is NOT established by the sole work of market forces - but by government and law. But yet, you defend the $7 or $8 dollars just the same as all they can get or all an employer will pay.
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