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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Number four from your cite: wage slavery.

    For more on this, look up "company store". Load sixteen tons, and what do you get? Another day older and deeper in debt. Saint Peter don't call me cuz I can't go. I owe my sould to the company store.

    Chains can be forged of laws and debt actually more easily than of steel. And wage slavery is superior to chattel slavery from a business standpoint, as it turns livestock upkeep from a cost to an income stream by making ones slaves responsible for their own upkeep.

    Not fantasy or conspiracy. History and anthropology.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Sorry, but both you and your communist friends are incorrect. Labor is human activity. Yes it can be bought and sold within the context of time, wage, and productivity; but thinking of it in these terms just confuses the differences. A man who has a new born child on the way can become motivated more so than he was, causing his real value of labor to increase. However, a commodity such as corn is not motivated to become "cornier", and therefore more valuable. A commodity such as corn differs in value based on the level (in terms of productivity and focus) of labor required to create it.
    that doesnt disprove the claim or the assertion that labor is a commodity



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I'm in tears I'm laughing so hard. Are you seriously seriously seriously trying to make your case based on an old song? And you didn't even use the right title.
    Nope. I was reinforcing my case based upon the obvious cultural referents upon which the song is based and continues to resonate.

    And I was obviously suggesting you look up the term "company store".

    And did you have any expansion on your cite in definition #4 wage slavery?

    Its one thing to question the relative weight of various points of view. Its entirely another to ignore factual historical information, pretending the references themselves are imaginary, rather than their relevance to the issue at hand. Ignorant or intellectually dishonest is what it is.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that doesnt disprove the claim or the assertion that labor is a commodity
    Continue to read the thread; and answer these questions:

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    How does one define commodity?

    Gold is a commodity, yes? But is a gold necklace with the shape of the Cash Money emblem a commodity?

    Corn is a commodity, yes? But is a tortilla a commodity?

    I believe there are significant distinctions between commodities and capital.
    Last edited by Kushinator; 09-12-11 at 09:23 PM.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Continue to read the thread; and answer these questions:
    labor is one commodity that goes into producing a product. for example a tortilla is a combination of labor, energy and materials



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady
    semantics. practically, labor is a commodity.
    It is not mere "semantics" that caused Ricardo to fail to bring classical value theory to its conclusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy
    Is the work an automated forklift does a commodity? This is a serious question.
    No.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Communists often refer to the commodity of labor.
    It's the most basic unit of value a person can offer, every economic model has to use it.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    No.
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    So it is not a matter of action; but the said (or potential) result of that action which renders labor a commodity?!?! I reach this conclusion under the assumption that time is not a commodity. Would you agree?
    Last edited by Kushinator; 09-13-11 at 12:58 AM.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Labor isn't a commodity. Labor power is. The worker exchanges his ability to work for his wage. It is a commodity because it is useful and exchangeable. You should know where I'm coming from with this...

    Time is as much a commodity as space.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

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