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  • Yes, it's a commodity subject to the market of wages offered

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  • No, it's not a commodity, workers should receive a living wage

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Thread: Is Labor a Commodity?

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Occam's Razor View Post
    No... the knowledge and skills are a commodity... not the labor.

    Tell me, when an hourly worker goes over 40 hours a week, their pay suddenly goes up by fifty percent. Did their skills increase? Their knowledge? Did their job suddenly become more rare? No. It's because it requires more sacrifice of the time of life, taking away from family and leisure.
    No, but you're talking about labor laws, not the concept of labor. Minimum wage laws, work safety laws, etc. really have nothing to do with the market value of labor.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Of course it is a commodity. Many lefties think the market should not apply to this commodity and labor should be priced according to the needs of the laborer rather than supply and demand



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Of course it is a commodity. Many lefties think the market should not apply to this commodity and labor should be priced according to the needs of the laborer rather than supply and demand
    Communists often refer to the commodity of labor.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Without workers/labor there would be no society to be found.


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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Communists often refer to the commodity of labor.
    even parasitic scumbags can be right on some issues!



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Without workers/labor there would be no society to be found.
    Workers without work to do are pointless. Workers without direction have nothing to do.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Of course it is a commodity. Many lefties think the market should not apply to this commodity and labor should be priced according to the needs of the laborer rather than supply and demand
    I know! It's shocking, isn't it? The idea that people should actually be able to survive on the job they're able to get, or maybe even have a luxury or two! Clearly a small percentage of people getting obscenely wealthy is the nobler goal.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    I know! It's shocking, isn't it? The idea that people should actually be able to survive on the job they're able to get, or maybe even have a luxury or two! Clearly a small percentage of people getting obscenely wealthy is the nobler goal.
    Not as amazing as the idea that people ought to be responsible enough to get an education, training and learn job skills that will allow them to make the living they'd like to make. The very idea that people ought to LEARN anything... imagine that!
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    I know! It's shocking, isn't it? The idea that people should actually be able to survive on the job they're able to get, or maybe even have a luxury or two! Clearly a small percentage of people getting obscenely wealthy is the nobler goal.
    spare me the psychobabble. The market sets wages. If someone has skills that only bring 7 dollars an hour

    1) whose fault is that

    2) why would an employer pay him 20 an hour when other employers can get equally skilled labor for less than half than that

    3) "obscenely wealthy" people (wtf does that mean) aren't that way due to market rates of wages. Those people you think are too rich mainly are that rich because they start a business that takes off. The guys who started Google are not obscenely rich due to them underpaying workers. Same with Bill Gates. Your either or argument has no merit whatsoever



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    You ignore that the figure you name of $7 an hour was also influenced by the lowest amount permissible under law - the minimum wage.
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