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  • Yes, it's a commodity subject to the market of wages offered

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  • No, it's not a commodity, workers should receive a living wage

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am sure they are thankful. In a democratic republic where so many are poor and so few are rich, you really do not have much choice then do you?
    most people who are poor are poor due to poor choices they are their parents have made

    not due to anything the rich have done

    the rich don't cause people to drop out of highschool

    do drugs

    or spawn like rabbits



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    most people who are poor are poor due to poor choices they are their parents have made

    not due to anything the rich have done

    the rich don't cause people to drop out of highschool

    do drugs

    or spawn like rabbits
    Or use terrible grammar.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Or use terrible grammar.
    grammar nazis are so yesterday

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You sure project much onto me. i don't get mad here, this is entertainment. and tax cuts are not giving the rich anything.
    Of course they are. Whether you call it a handout or a tax break is just semantics. They're the same thing. The individual ends the day with more money, the deficit is higher by the same amount. If the check they get has "tax refund" printed on it, or it has "entitlement" printed on it doesn't make a bit of difference. If tomorrow I got elected as emperor of the country and passed a law that said my good friend and supporter John Doe gets a $1 million tax break, would you see that as any different than if I just passed a law that said "ok, John Doe still needs to pay $1 million in taxes, but then we'll give him a $1 million entitlement"? Please tell me you aren't that easy to fool.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its the middle and lower classes who are given stuff by the government
    Don't be ridiculous. A rich person benefits hundreds or even millions of times as much from the government as a poor person. For example, an individual worker only benefits from their own education, where an employer benefits from the educations of all their employees. The stimulus package boosted to stock market, conservatively, 40%. That means very little for the poor, but meant something like $10 billion for Bill Gates.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that claim shows Obama believes that government benefits mainly those who are not top tax payers
    That's quite a leap there. Domestic entitlement programs are what they're cutting. Those benefit the middle class the most. That doesn't mean government as a whole benefits the middle class the most. Government sets up the rules of the game. By definition the wealthy are the ones benefiting the most from the game.

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    most people who are poor are poor due to poor choices they are their parents have made
    You are totally missing the point and attempting to move the goal posts and engage in diversion away from what was being discussed.

    You said this

    Like saying that the rich should grovel at the feet of the masses to keep the wealth that they honestly and fairly earned?
    This is something you keep bringing up from time to time because you took such a personal concern with my remarks that the rich should be thankful

    I replied to you with the following


    The rich should indeed give thanks that they are allowed to live in a land where they can keep so much of their wealth as compared to other nations which are no so generous to the wealthy.
    you then replied with this

    the poor should give thanks that others allow them to eat and survive. The poor need the government far more than the rich and the resourceful
    You attempted to change the discussion from the wealthy and what society allows them generously to retain and shift the discussion to the poor - your normal target.

    I replied to that with the following


    I am sure they are thankful. In a democratic republic where so many are poor and so few are rich, you really do not have much choice then do you?
    If you read the flow of the discussion in those four excerpts you will see that my comment about the poor being thankful refers to the reality that the wealthy do not have a whole lot of choice in this matter since we live in a democratic republic where they are badly outnumbered. The consequences of a modern "let them eat cake" ideology would be disastrous for the wealthy. They know this so they pay welfare and other means of support as a type of pacification program to prevent the poor from doing anything that would endanger their fragile position.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    to claim that a handout-money taken from someone who earned it and then given to someone who did nothing to earn it-is the same as a tax break meaning less is taken from someone who earned it is really really wrong

    of course if you believe all wealth belongs to the government I suppose I can see such a perspective

    Your claim that the rich benefit more from the government is an article of faith for the socialist left but even Obama disagrees with that



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    to claim that a handout-money taken from someone who earned it and then given to someone who did nothing to earn it-is the same as a tax break meaning less is taken from someone who earned it is really really wrong

    of course if you believe all wealth belongs to the government I suppose I can see such a perspective
    You need to knock your analysis up a notch. You're stuck at the bumper sticker slogan level. Re-read my post, give it some thought, and let me know what you think.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Your claim that the rich benefit more from the government is an article of faith for the socialist left but even Obama disagrees with that
    Huh? No, he didn't say that at all. He said those specific spending cuts- mostly entitlements- would hurt the poor and middle class more. You can't jump from that to government as a whole. Most our spending is not entitlements and spending is only part of what government does.

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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    You need to knock your analysis up a notch. You're stuck at the bumper sticker slogan level. Re-read my post, give it some thought, and let me know what you think.



    Huh? No, he didn't say that at all. He said those specific spending cuts- mostly entitlements- would hurt the poor and middle class more. You can't jump from that to government as a whole. Most our spending is not entitlements and spending is only part of what government does.
    most of the spending is not entitlements? yet most of it is not to benefit the rich

    but the rich pay most of the income taxes. the top 5% pay more than the rest of the country combined. and Obama claims the rich don't pay their fair share



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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    most of the spending is not entitlements? yet most of it is not to benefit the rich

    but the rich pay most of the income taxes. the top 5% pay more than the rest of the country combined. and Obama claims the rich don't pay their fair share
    Because you focus on one tax paid to just one level of government and intentionally and purposely willfully ignore all other taxes paid by the American people, the word FAIR does not even enter into this.
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    Re: Is Labor a Commodity?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Because you focus on one tax paid to just one level of government and intentionally and purposely willfully ignore all other taxes paid by the American people, the word FAIR does not even enter into this.
    the rich tend to pay the most of any tax. but the fact remains, your master, Obama, talks about INCOME tax, not excise taxes, not property taxes, not gasoline taxes but the federal income taxes and he claims the rich don't pay their fair share which is not only steaming BS designed to appeal to the envious it is also a lie

    the richest taxpayers are the only group that pay a higher share of the federal income tax than their share of the income



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