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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

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    Just to check the consistency of this topic, is incest allowed?
    Read the thread. It's already been addressed.

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Sorry. Not reading 22 pages.Let's see.. The answer would have to be that incest is allowed no matter what otherwise this issue would fall flat on its face. Our society would have to accept incest, polygomy, 3+ people in one marriage, homosexual marriage, and every other freak in the parade.Society's current standpoint is that freaks and perverts don't harm people, so it's allowed.Now, when we're talking "all" sexual relations, I wonder how encompassing "all" is. You guys can use your imaginations on that one. I have an appetite I don't wish to disturb.

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    I'm all for sexual freedom as long as it is limited to interpersonal relationships. I could care less if you're bi, gay, or straight. Thank goodness for the sexual revolution in the 1960's! Can you imagine not having decent, legal contraception today? What happens in my bedroom should stay in my bedroom. It should be totally irrelevant to anyone what I'm doing or who I'm doing it with. Unless you are personally involved, it shouldn't matter.

    That being said, I'll quote my ex-husband: "You cannot legislate morality".

    I'm still making up my mind on the legalization of prostitution. It's legal in Nevada at regulated brothels in rural areas. Both male and female sex workers at these brothels are tested for sexually transmitted diseases on a weekly basis. The brothels pay Federal Income Tax and local fees, but do not pay any other taxes (fees range from $200 to $100,000 annually, depending on county). The state has laws against "living off the proceeds of a prostitute" (pimps), "engaging in prostitution outside of licensed brothels, and against encouraging others to become prostitutes". They are restricted from advertising in counties where prostitution is illegal.

    According to Wikpedia: Brothel prostitutes work as independent contractors and thus do not receive any unemployment, retirement or health benefits. They are responsible for paying Federal income tax and their earnings are reported to the IRS via form 1099-MISC. Nevada does not have a state income tax. The women typically work for a period of several weeks, during which time they live in the brothel and hardly ever leave it. They then take some time off. It has been argued[by whom?] that the tight control that brothels exert over the working conditions precludes the women from legally being classified as independent contractors.

    Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single full-time brothel prostitute has tested positive for HIV, although earlier tests required seven days to obtain the test results for new prostitutes, with a few eventually not being hired full-time after positive HIV test results were obtained. The mandatory condom law was passed in 1988. A study conducted in 1995 in two brothels found that condom use in the brothels was consistent and sexually transmitted diseases were accordingly absent. The study also found that few of the prostitutes used condoms in their private lives.[27]


    I have quite a few reservations about legalizing prostitution. The potential for abuse, the dehumanizing of the prostitute, racketeering/drug use/hidden pimps, etc. It appears to me that organized crime seems to go hand in hand with prostitution - whether prostitution is legalized or not. I've just started reading about legalized prostitution in the U.S., so it will take some time for me to reach a decision.
    I love how, in scary movies, the person yells out, "Hello?" As if the bad guy is gonna be like, "Yeah, I'm in the kitchen! Want a sandwich?"

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chenoa View Post
    I'm all for sexual freedom as long as it is limited to interpersonal relationships. I could care less if you're bi, gay, or straight. Thank goodness for the sexual revolution in the 1960's! Can you imagine not having decent, legal contraception today? What happens in my bedroom should stay in my bedroom. It should be totally irrelevant to anyone what I'm doing or who I'm doing it with. Unless you are personally involved, it shouldn't matter.

    That being said, I'll quote my ex-husband: "You cannot legislate morality".

    I'm still making up my mind on the legalization of prostitution. It's legal in Nevada at regulated brothels in rural areas. Both male and female sex workers at these brothels are tested for sexually transmitted diseases on a weekly basis. The brothels pay Federal Income Tax and local fees, but do not pay any other taxes (fees range from $200 to $100,000 annually, depending on county). The state has laws against "living off the proceeds of a prostitute" (pimps), "engaging in prostitution outside of licensed brothels, and against encouraging others to become prostitutes". They are restricted from advertising in counties where prostitution is illegal.

    According to Wikpedia: Brothel prostitutes work as independent contractors and thus do not receive any unemployment, retirement or health benefits. They are responsible for paying Federal income tax and their earnings are reported to the IRS via form 1099-MISC. Nevada does not have a state income tax. The women typically work for a period of several weeks, during which time they live in the brothel and hardly ever leave it. They then take some time off. It has been argued[by whom?] that the tight control that brothels exert over the working conditions precludes the women from legally being classified as independent contractors.

    Since 1986, when mandatory testing began, not a single full-time brothel prostitute has tested positive for HIV, although earlier tests required seven days to obtain the test results for new prostitutes, with a few eventually not being hired full-time after positive HIV test results were obtained. The mandatory condom law was passed in 1988. A study conducted in 1995 in two brothels found that condom use in the brothels was consistent and sexually transmitted diseases were accordingly absent. The study also found that few of the prostitutes used condoms in their private lives.[27]


    I have quite a few reservations about legalizing prostitution. The potential for abuse, the dehumanizing of the prostitute, racketeering/drug use/hidden pimps, etc. It appears to me that organized crime seems to go hand in hand with prostitution - whether prostitution is legalized or not. I've just started reading about legalized prostitution in the U.S., so it will take some time for me to reach a decision.
    I suggest you read about the experiences with legalized prostitution in Amsterdam. They are re-thinking their policies due to some of the problems they have been having
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Sorry. Not reading 22 pages.Let's see.. The answer would have to be that incest is allowed no matter what otherwise this issue would fall flat on its face. Our society would have to accept incest, polygomy, 3+ people in one marriage, homosexual marriage, and every other freak in the parade.Society's current standpoint is that freaks and perverts don't harm people, so it's allowed.Now, when we're talking "all" sexual relations, I wonder how encompassing "all" is. You guys can use your imaginations on that one. I have an appetite I don't wish to disturb.
    Every type of sexual activity would not have to be acceptable, as long as there is some evidence that the activity could harm someone, especially someone not legally able to consent, then it does not have to be accepted as legal.

    It is all about the arguments for each particular activity, not the general arguments as a whole. And each particular sexual freedom should be evaluated by its own arguments and the arguments against it, not just a general "yea, go sexual freedom" or "boo, no sexual freedom for you".

    This is the biggest reason I did not vote in the poll. There were too few options to pick from. Not every sexual activity is the same and not all those should be viewed the same.

    Plus, technically, SSM has very little to do with sex. If sexual activity is the basis of anyone's marriage, they should probably reevaluate the reasons they are married. In fact, polygamy is not about sexual activity either. Most US laws allow people to have as many "spiritual" spouses as the people agree upon, as long as each only has one legal spouse.
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    I will, thanks for the heads-up.
    I love how, in scary movies, the person yells out, "Hello?" As if the bad guy is gonna be like, "Yeah, I'm in the kitchen! Want a sandwich?"

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Sorry. Not reading 22 pages.Let's see.. The answer would have to be that incest is allowed no matter what otherwise this issue would fall flat on its face. Our society would have to accept incest, polygomy, 3+ people in one marriage, homosexual marriage, and every other freak in the parade.Society's current standpoint is that freaks and perverts don't harm people, so it's allowed.Now, when we're talking "all" sexual relations, I wonder how encompassing "all" is. You guys can use your imaginations on that one. I have an appetite I don't wish to disturb.
    If you can't bother reading what has already been discussed, then I don't see why anyone should be bothered re-answering questions that have already been answered. However, I'm feeling charitable. This is Post #147. Please note the key is consenting adults.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Most of what I feel about this subject has already been well represented. I believe any sexual contact between consenting adults should be legal, including prostitution (which, along with The War On Drugs, is part of the Law Enforcement Employment Protection Act).

    Some of the hysterics in this thread have been, well, hysterical. The idea that if prostitution is made legal that crime syndicates will leap in and create sex trafficking rings. Ridiculous. First of all, sex trafficking involves non-consentual activity. Second, there are all ready sex trafficking rings operating right here in the good old U.S. of A. They are illegal now, and would remain illegal if prostitution was legalized. They would, however, be less profitable. Crime syndicates and cartels prosper by providing illegal goods and services for which a demand exists. Make prostitution legal, poof. Customers have a clean and legal service to access, and are less likely to utilize the terrified, tear-stained sex slave who takes man after man after man without so much as a sponge bath in between. Well run bordellos can provide clean, medically-certified women who choose prostitution as a career. Frankly, legalization takes a bite out of crime rather than enhancing it.

    Now the old in-breeding hysteria. "OMG! If incest isn't illegal, brothers and sisters will be banging Mom, Dad and Grampa every damned day, because there ain't no law against it any more!!" Really? The fact that incest is illegal really stops related individuals from having sexual relations in private now? No, it does not. Will millions of sex-starved citizens suddenly leap the bones of their parents or siblings just because they won't go to jail for doing so? Oh hell no! 99% of people would literally get nauseous at the very thought. So what we are really doing is making incest illegal for the 1% or less of individuals, including distant cousins, who might actually be attracted to a relative. My question... so ****ing what if they are? It's none of our damned business.

    The only reasons to keep prostitution illegal is because of religious reasons, individual morality, and to keep vice law enforcement officers off the lay-off list.

    We as a nation need to flush laws that prohibit what consenting adults can do with each other or ingest in their own bodies, and concentrate on crime that is inflicted on non-consenting victims. Period.

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