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Thread: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I think your distinguising between decriminalizing the prostitutes but not the pimps and johns was brilliant! Good work
    Being a john is also legal under this plan. There is nothing wrong with people establishing business for sex work.

    The abuses take place mainly between sex workers and their pimps, followed by sex workers and johns. Under the current system, it's difficult for sex workers to report either without facing scrutiny. They need support. If we are going to make this a legal, taxable profession, then that means the bosses need to clean up their acts. No more sleaze, abuse, and accepting workers under shady conditions like importing. And when it's a sex worker plus her child, there should be even more legal rights established. Often the sex traffickers bring in women with their children; and yes, there is a child sex industry even in North America that they could be susceptible to.

    But none of this gets accounted for because sex workers are doing illegal work, and so it's hard to have their voices heard on these matters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77
    how do you keep prostitution illegal but decriminalize sex workers?
    You don't keep the work illegal - you keep the trafficking aspect regulated. A big percentage of the abuses that happen are via the ways that sex workers arrive at and start doing their work. They can be subject to manipulation, entrapment, and even indentured servitude if they are foreign to this country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77
    I understand what you are saying I dont want abusive pimps etc but they would go away with regulation.
    They won't go away with regulation. Even if you make the profession legal, it won't be every aspect. There will always be a black market. But you can impact that by empowering the sex workers more. You don't want to legalize abuse, you want to minimize it.

    You have to understand, the aspect that matters more here is the social one. The whole reason why the abuses can happen is because it's shaded from society, due to moral reasons. But sex work is always there, and it involves real people. Most other people don't have to be threatened with physical violence when they go to work. The same idea should be applied here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77
    Im just confused on what you are saying?
    I'm saying that it's not a black and white situation of make it legal or make it illegal. The different aspects of it should have different degrees of legal entitlement. And on a social level, there needs to be a real desire for integration. Anything that maintains sex workers as "the other" is disempowering their ability to navigate their own market safely.

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Young women in poor countries are promised legitimate jobs. When they arrive, they are forced to perform sex acts for money and threatend with violence if they refuse. They are warned that if they go to the police, they will end up being sent back home, where the sex traffickers can get back at them and their families.

    The women who are forced in to sexual slavery have bigger worries than being arrested by the police.
    Which has absolutely nothing to do with my post or the topic of this thread. The key word is "consenting". These women did not consent to being sex slaves. Please try to keep up.

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Absolutely. There are many sex acts that I consider to be perversions, and yet I don't feel the need to tell other people how to live their lives.

    Prostitution has existed since the invention of currency, so I see no point in keeping that illegal. In fact, it would be safer for all parties involved if it were legal.
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Which has absolutely nothing to do with my post or the topic of this thread. The key word is "consenting". These women did not consent to being sex slaves. Please try to keep up.
    Sure! If only we make it legal, all the pimps will just give up their source of income and will only use women who consent. The illegal traffickers will just give up too.

    The point you're missing is that the cops will have no way of knowing that it's non-consensual if the women are too scared to tell the cops about the abuse

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Sure! If only we make it legal, all the pimps will just give up their source of income and will only use women who consent. The illegal traffickers will just give up too.

    The point you're missing is that the cops will have no way of knowing that it's non-consensual if the women are too scared to tell the cops about the abuse

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    Sex trafficking is illegal now. It will be illegal then. If the women will be too scared to tell cops about abuse then, they are also too scared to tell cops about abuse now.

    Nothing will change if prostitution is made legal... except that sex trafficking rings will have fewer clients, because the vast majority of men looking for a pro will go to legal brothels. Your post is a logic fallacy that cannot be supported by any form of reason or rational thought.

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Sex trafficking is illegal now. It will be illegal then. If the women will be too scared to tell cops about abuse then, they are also too scared to tell cops about abuse now.

    Nothing will change if prostitution is made legal... except that sex trafficking rings will have fewer clients, because the vast majority of men looking for a pro will go to legal brothels. Your post is a logic fallacy that cannot be supported by any form of reason or rational thought.
    If prostitution is made legal, it becomes easier to traffic in humans. This is supported by the facts

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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If prostitution is made legal, it becomes easier to traffic in humans. This is supported by the facts

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    Likely, if prostitution was made legal, the only people getting trafficked would be children-since hopefully adult/child sex will always remain illegal. If an action or a substance is made illegal, you can bet that there will be an underground market for it. This usually creates more danger than the acts or substances themselves.
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    Likely, if prostitution was made legal, the only people getting trafficked would be children-since hopefully adult/child sex will always remain illegal. If an action or a substance is made illegal, you can bet that there will be an underground market for it. This usually creates more danger than the acts or substances themselves.
    There are black markets for things that are legal. Tobacco has a black market. So does alcohol. Designer clothes and accessories.
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by O_Guru View Post
    I've come to learn some people will just never see logic and common sense, their emotions will always drive their rational instead of common sense. While I agree with you that they are very entertaining, sometimes it is best to leave them alone, they will eventually hurt themselves somehow.

    When you feed a monkey it might throw **** at you

    Anyway I'm with you and the majority, there's no real reason to think crime will increase and we will magically have a high increase in the number of slaves and sex/kid crimes.
    yep you are right LMAO

    its hilarious how clueless some people are, they talk in absolutes and it get them in trouble all the time. In ways its also scary how people deny reality and logic at times too. Oh well you are right if you feed monkeys you might get **** thrown at you LOL
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If the prostitute is not properly licensed and/or does not meet the requirements to be licensed, then the prostitute, the prostitute's "employer", and any person who purchases the service of that prostitute are all criminals. The prostitute for not being properly licensed to sell his/her-self, the employer for not ensuring that their employee meets the necessary requirements for fulfilling that position, and the purchaser for not ensuring that the prostitute was legally able to sell them the service.

    Sex purchasers are much more likely to go through a legally licensed prostitute than one who isn't. Why do something illegally when you can do the same thing for basically the same amount legally as long as the person you make the purchase from is properly licensed?
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