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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    IN AMSTERDAM, meaningless, $5000 dollars? more movie stuff

    mean while im still waiting for proof that the dramatic raise of slavery and sex trafficking of children would go on in america and why?

    Ill keep waiting for you to answer.
    Very few people are going to voluntarily become prostitutes for $20 bucks a pop, so there will always be an incentive for a black market. As long as criminals can force people to be sex workers, there will be sexual slavery.
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    how old are you and are you amrican, just curious since all you try to do is repeat me LOL
    I again wait your proof about what would happen in america and WHY

    so far you have offered fantasy and what happens in amsterdam, you whole dream rest on america basically giving up and allowing slavery and child sex trafficking based on the demand of an industry, thats why its nonsense.

    Maybe amsterdam needs that money to survive? we dont

    your whole fantasy depends on america failing, wont happen
    Now you're resorting to ad homs because you can't deny that there will always be a demand for a black market in sex.
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Now you're resorting to ad homs because you can't deny that there will always be a demand for a black market in sex.
    nope its an honest question when presented somebody basically saying "i know you ar ebut what am i"

    also I never denied there would be black market demand, dont put words in my mouth and lie, it just wouldnt corrupt america and make us have this fantasy explosion of slavery and child abuse
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    nope its an honest question when presented somebody basically saying "i know you ar ebut what am i"

    also I never denied there would be black market demand, dont put words in my mouth and lie, it just wouldnt corrupt america and make us have this fantasy explosion of slavery and child abuse
    It wouldn't reduce it either, but it would put a lot of money in the hands of criminals who have an incentive to use coercion in order to lower the prices their employees can charge their customers.

    And while you keep claiming that it would be different in the US, you have presented no evidence to support it. Posting what happened with slavery and alcohol bans in the US does not prove that the US is different when the same things happened in other countries. All you've done is shown that the US is the same.
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Very few people are going to voluntarily become prostitutes for $20 bucks a pop, so there will always be an incentive for a black market. As long as criminals can force people to be sex workers, there will be sexual slavery.
    oh good lord more stuff made up we went from $5000 to 20?

    and again nobody said there would be no sex works / slavery what there will NOT be is some huge out of control increase like you suggested, please stay on the topic of your false statements and not try to change it

    america simply wont legalize it or we will and we will handle it, its what we do. I dont buy in to the mayhem theory that the sky will fall and we will be Amsterdam. Not logic to do so.
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It wouldn't reduce it either, but it would put a lot of money in the hands of criminals who have an incentive to use coercion in order to lower the prices their employees can charge their customers.

    And while you keep claiming that it would be different in the US, you have presented no evidence to support it. Posting what happened with slavery and alcohol bans in the US does not prove that the US is different when the same things happened in other countries. All you've done is shown that the US is the same.
    I did you just ignored but that doesnt bother me, lot of people ignore common sense and logic. you keep trying to downplay your statement and change it and argue things nobody said also LOL

    yes CRIME will exist lol

    there will be no dramatic increase in it especially in slavery and sex trafficking of kids

    and yes crime will go be reduced by default because more people will do it legally and less illegally just like with alcohol, common sense
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    oh good lord more stuff made up we went from $5000 to 20?

    and again nobody said there would be no sex works / slavery what there will NOT be is some huge out of control increase like you suggested, please stay on the topic of your false statements and not try to change it

    america simply wont legalize it or we will and we will handle it, its what we do. I dont buy in to the mayhem theory that the sky will fall and we will be Amsterdam. Not logic to do so.
    No one said anything about mayhem. Your need to make up straw men just shows how weak your claims are.

    Since the demand for cheap sex will outstrip the supply that american women can provide, sex workers will be imported from countries with a lot of poverty. Women overseas will be promised a real job (as domestic workers, secretaries, etc) and trapped in sexual slavery once they get here. This is what happened in Amsterdam in spite of all their regulations and enforcement, and the only evidence that it would be any different here in the US is your platitudes about "we will handle it, its what we do" even though the facts show we do a very poor job of it

    Human trafficking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sex trafficking victims are generally found in dire circumstances and easily targeted by traffickers. Individuals, circumstances, and situations vulnerable to traffickers include homeless individuals, runaway teens, displaced homemakers, refugees, and drug addicts. While it may seem like trafficked people are the most vulnerable and powerless minorities in a region, victims are consistently exploited from any ethnic and social background[14].

    Traffickers, also known as pimps or madams, exploit vulnerabilities and lack of opportunities, while offering promises of marriage, employment, education, and/or an overall better life. However, in the end, traffickers force the victims to become prostitutes or work in the sex industry[15]Various work in the sex industry includes prostitution, dancing in strip clubs, performing in pornographic films and pornography, and other forms of involuntary servitude.

    Human trafficking does not require travel or transport from one location to another, but one form of sex trafficking involves international agents and brokers who arrange travel and job placements for women from one country. Women are lured to accompany traffickers based on promises of lucrative opportunities unachievable in their native country. However, once they reach their destination, the women discover that they have been deceived and learn the true nature of the work that they will be expected to do. Most have been told lies regarding the financial arrangements and conditions of their employment and find themselves in coercive or abusive situations from which escape is both difficult and dangerous.[16] According to a 2009 U.S. Department of Justice report, there were 1,229 suspected human trafficking incidents in the United States from January 2007- September 2008. Of these, 83 percent were sex trafficking cases, though only 9% of all cases could be confirmed as examples of human trafficking[17]
    Human trafficking in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Forced prostitution and domestic servitude

    Research conducted by University of California at Berkeley on behalf of the anti-trafficking organization Free the Slaves found that about 46% of people in slavery in the United States are forced into prostitution. The U.S. Department of Justice prosecuted 360 defendants for Human Trafficking from 2001 to 2007 and gained 238 convictions.[13]

    From January 2007 through September 2008, there were 1,229 alleged cases of human trafficking nationally. 1,018 of them, nearly 83 percent, were sex trafficking cases. Sex trafficking has a close relationship with migrant smuggling operations headed by Mexican, Eastern European, and Asian crime organizations. Research on forced prostitution in the US is difficult because it there is limited data on the connection between forced prostitution of migrants and the sex market that already exists in the US.[14] Domestic servitude claims 27% of people in slavery in the US, agriculture 10%, and other occupations 17%.[15][16]

    Trafficking within the US occurs as well. It is estimated that between 240,000 and 325,000 children are at risk for sexual exploitation each year in the US. Children who are considered runaways are at particular risk of prostitution or trafficked into the sex industry. Of the 1,682,900 children who were considered runaways for a period of time in 1999, 71% were considered at risk for prostitution. In 2003, 1,400 minors were arrested for prostitution, 14% of whom were younger than 14 years old. A study conducted by the International Labor Union indicated that boys are at a higher risk of being trafficked into agricultural work, the drug trade, and petty crime. Girls were at a higher risk of being forced into the sex industry and domestic work. In 2004, the Department of Labor found 1,087 minors employed in situations that violated Hazardous Occupation Standards. The same year, 5,480 children were employed violating child labor laws. Due to the secretive nature of trafficking, it is difficult to piece together an accurate picture of how widespread the problem is.[17]
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    I did you just ignored but that doesnt bother me, lot of people ignore common sense and logic. you keep trying to downplay your statement and change it and argue things nobody said also LOL

    yes CRIME will exist lol

    there will be no dramatic increase in it especially in slavery and sex trafficking of kids

    and yes crime will go be reduced by default because more people will do it legally and less illegally just like with alcohol, common sense
    The fact that johns wont be doing anything illegal does not mean that there will be a reduction in the coercion of women to be sex workers or the trafficking in humans
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No one said anything about mayhem. Your need to make up straw men just shows how weak your claims are.

    Since the demand for cheap sex will outstrip the supply that american women can provide, sex workers will be imported from countries with a lot of poverty. Women overseas will be promised a real job (as domestic workers, secretaries, etc) and trapped in sexual slavery once they get here. This is what happened in Amsterdam in spite of all their regulations and enforcement, and the only evidence that it would be any different here in the US is your platitudes about "we will handle it, its what we do" even though the facts show we do a very poor job of it

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    Human trafficking in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    yeaaaaaa a long post that does nothing to prove we would become Amsterdam and slavery and child sex trafficking and mob business would all go up.

    all your doing is guessing with nothing of merit, just what happened in Amsterdam, AMERICA IS NOT AMSTERDAM lmao

    like I said for this fantasy to happen america would have to fail and basically dramatically change its colors and history, it aint gonna happen.
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    Re: Should we legalize sexual freedom?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    yeaaaaaa a long post that does nothing to prove we would become Amsterdam and slavery and child sex trafficking and mob business would all go up.

    all your doing is guessing with nothing of merit, just what happened in Amsterdam, AMERICA IS NOT AMSTERDAM lmao

    like I said for this fantasy to happen america would have to fail and basically dramatically change its colors and history, it aint gonna happen.
    I guess you didn't read the part about sexual slavery in the US.

    I'm not surprised. It blows your "we will handle it, its what we do" platitude out of the water
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