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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Criminal behavior is not curable. Once one has committed a crime, it cannot be undone and the individual will always be a criminal.
    Then we're all criminals and we all might as well brew up the Kool-Aid.

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    Criminals should be locked up for society's betterment. Those who cannot be reasonably housed (meaning, in a facility like Alcatraz), or who have been violent, should be executed.
    Oh, I certainly agree. But if we destroyed every single person that got caught up in some kind of criminal activity, it would be a tremendous waste of human potential.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If they don't understand why they're being punished,
    That is not a defense either. It still does not change the fact the criminal murdered,raped or what ever to their victim.


    what's the point?
    The point is to make them pay for their crimes that they committed against their victims and to somewhat satisfy the victims of that criminal and their loved ones that the criminal is being adequately punished. It doesn't matter if the murderer(I could be wrong but I do not think I have ever heard of a shoplifter,jay walker, convenient store/bank robber,software pirate or some other criminal use the Insanity plea) or some piece of **** quack says the murderer is insane or can't understand the charges brought against them. If society does not punish criminals then it will be in society's interest to take the law into their own hands and administer punishment instead of letting a court handle it.
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    I think the insanity plea, like the death penalty, is overused. Like the death penalty, it should still be there for certain cases. If a person is truly so out there that they just don't get it, then I think it's valid. We need better ways to discriminate to prevent the abuses.


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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    You don't beat rabid dogs. And no amount of beating is going to knock the rabies out of them.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You don't beat rabid dogs. And no amount of beating is going to knock the rabies out of them.
    Rabid dogs are usually put down.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I think the insanity plea, like the death penalty, is overused. Like the death penalty, it should still be there for certain cases. If a person is truly so out there that they just don't get it, then I think it's valid. We need better ways to discriminate to prevent the abuses.
    It's tried in less than 1% of cases and successful in less than one-third of the time it is tried. It's not over-used, it's over-publicized.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Rabid dogs are usually put down.
    Yeah, but you don't get a bunch of holier-than-thou assholes clapping eachother on the back about it afterwards.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is not a defense either. It still does not change the fact the criminal murdered,raped or what ever to their victim.


    The point is to make them pay for their crimes that they committed against their victims and to somewhat satisfy the victims of that criminal and their loved ones that the criminal is being adequately punished. It doesn't matter if the murderer(I could be wrong but I do not think I have ever heard of a shoplifter,jay walker, convenient store/bank robber,software pirate or some other criminal use the Insanity plea) or some piece of **** quack says the murderer is insane or can't understand the charges brought against them.
    If a person has no idea of what they're doing or the consequences, how can they be held morally responsible? The family may want justice, but the criminal requires treatment.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If society does not punish criminals then it will be in society's interest to take the law into their own hands and administer punishment instead of letting a court handle it.
    Vigilante justice has a much poorer track record of meting out justice to those who deserve it and not harming the innocent than courts.
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Then we're all criminals and we all might as well brew up the Kool-Aid.
    Are you suggesting that you have a guilty conscience, Viktyr? I most certainly don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Oh, I certainly agree. But if we destroyed every single person that got caught up in some kind of criminal activity, it would be a tremendous waste of human potential.
    I'm not suggesting to kill them all. I am suggesting to kill the violent, anti-social ones and to lock the other ones up for the rest of eternity.


    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    You don't beat rabid dogs. And no amount of beating is going to knock the rabies out of them.
    Exactly. No amount of "punishment" is going to cure the violently criminal and insane; so we should do with them what we do with their rabid cousins.... Put them down, immediately.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    If a person has no idea of what they're doing or the consequences, how can they be held morally responsible? The family may want justice, but the criminal requires treatment.
    No. The criminal requires PUNISHMENT, not treatment.

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