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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

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    But who gets the most drugs?
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    I think the insanity plea is abused and everyone tries to get evaluated as an easy way into a lesser sentence. I am not for ending the insanity plea, but I am for reforming it so that it cannot be easily abused.
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I think the insanity plea is abused and everyone tries to get evaluated as an easy way into a lesser sentence. I am not for ending the insanity plea, but I am for reforming it so that it cannot be easily abused.
    If it consoles you, the insanity plea only succeeds about 1% of the time, here in the US.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

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    Personally, I feel that if they murdered someone than it is appropriate.
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

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    To protect society. Best point of all.
    I fail to see how placing the dangerously mentally ill in secure treatment facilities is any less effective at protecting society than placing them in prisons.

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    Link?
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    edit: Here's a better link, courtesy of Spud: Insanity: Myth or Fact
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    I don't think we should end it, but I do believe that the trial of anyone choosing to plead insanity should be very different than a normal case. The trial should not be about whether the individual committed the act. The insanity defense should be required to contain a stipulation that the individual DID, in fact commit the crime of which they are charged. Instead the trial should focus on whether or not the individual is a permanent threat to society or only an occasional threat to society. If found to be an occasional threat to society, the individual should be institutionalized for life. If found to be a permanent threat, they should be immediately executed.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    I don't think we should end it, but I do believe that the trial of anyone choosing to plead insanity should be very different than a normal case. The trial should not be about whether the individual committed the act. The insanity defense should be required to contain a stipulation that the individual DID, in fact commit the crime of which they are charged.
    This is already the case. That's why so few defendants try for it-- it's a major risk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Instead the trial should focus on whether or not the individual is a permanent threat to society or only an occasional threat to society. If found to be an occasional threat to society, the individual should be institutionalized for life. If found to be a permanent threat, they should be immediately executed.
    I'm not far from this position myself. I apply the same metric to all criminal cases: if the source of their criminality is curable, it should be cured. If their criminal behavior is incurable, they should either be studied from within a secure treatment facility or they should be euthanized.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    This is already the case. That's why so few defendants try for it-- it's a major risk.
    Thank you for mentioning that. I hadn't been aware of that fact.


    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    I'm not far from this position myself. I apply the same metric to all criminal cases: if the source of their criminality is curable, it should be cured. If their criminal behavior is incurable, they should either be studied from within a secure treatment facility or they should be euthanized.
    Criminal behavior is not curable. Once one has committed a crime, it cannot be undone and the individual will always be a criminal. Criminals should be locked up for society's betterment. Those who cannot be reasonably housed (meaning, in a facility like Alcatraz), or who have been violent, should be executed.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pinkie View Post
    If it consoles you, the insanity plea only succeeds about 1% of the time, here in the US.
    Your right but you worded it wrong I believe....the insanity plea is USED 1% of the time in the USA....

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Your right but you worded it wrong I believe....the insanity plea is USED 1% of the time in the USA....
    Then if thats the case, it is successful less than 1% of the time due to not every insanity plea being accepted by the judge or jury.

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