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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Little known fact: on average, people found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect spend more time institutionalized than those who receive criminal sentences and often enjoy fewer privileges during their time.

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    CDAs will have none of that...you would be taking a piece of thier BS storie weaving ability away.
    Most rich and powerful people...uses that defense....

    Marlon Brando' son, Michael Blake <bereta> Phil Spectre just to name a few...and If the crime isnt severe enough for an Insanity Defense then they use I have a problem Not my fault Defense waaaaaaaaaaaa......I use drugs I have to go to rehab....Im an alcoholic...and on and on.
    Its all part of criminal defense lawyers fabricating bullchit stories to get their clients off....they call it a vigorous defense....

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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If they don't understand why they're being punished, what's the point?
    To protect society. Best point of all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Little known fact: on average, people found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect spend more time institutionalized than those 5who receive criminal sentences and often enjoy fewer privileges during their time.
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Let's break it up into the two cases of those who claim insanity. They're either truly insane or they're not. If they're not, then they are using it as a cheap ticket to try and get off the hook. Those are scum who need to be punished even more harshly. In the case of actual insanity, I don't believe you can cure it; no treatment will help. Therefore, in either case, I believe the offender needs to be locked up or put to death for the protection of others.
    However, the cases where the sane pleads insanity is actually very rare, contrary to public opinion. Only 1% of all criminal cases in the US has an insanity plea, and the process of discerning the sane from insane are very strict.

    Also, the idea of abolishing the insanity plea is ridiculous. For the truly insane, they can't help it. It's not in part of their free will, it's rather on part of their illness, which is not criminal and is not their fault. I agree with the part about putting them into a mental institution with heavy security, but killing them or putting them into prison is absurd
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    One of the best movies of all time - "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKCOO'S NEST" with Jack Nicholson.

    Perfect example of Insane Hospitols?
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    One of the best movies of all time - "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKCOO'S NEST" with Jack Nicholson.

    Perfect example of Insane Hospitols?
    No, they don't look like that at all. Not since the 30s and 40s.

    A lot of what has been pointed out about the insanity defense is true. Those who attempt abuse it seldom succeed, and those who use it (because they actually are insane) are put into a protected treatment, where they can't leave until a judge says they're rehabilitated. Not only does that almost never happen sooner than a prison sentence would have concluded, but it often doesn't happen at all. Pleading insanity is not a route to freedom. It's a route to treatment, which is what that person needs.
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by dixiesolutions View Post
    One of the best movies of all time - "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKCOO'S NEST" with Jack Nicholson.

    Perfect example of Insane Hospitols?
    Hint: Movies aren't a reliable source in legal debates
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Proud South Korean View Post
    However, the cases where the sane pleads insanity is actually very rare, contrary to public opinion. Only 1% of all criminal cases in the US has an insanity plea, and the process of discerning the sane from insane are very strict.

    Also, the idea of abolishing the insanity plea is ridiculous. For the truly insane, they can't help it. It's not in part of their free will, it's rather on part of their illness, which is not criminal and is not their fault. I agree with the part about putting them into a mental institution with heavy security, but killing them or putting them into prison is absurd
    What matters is not how often it is used, but what percentage of the time it is actually valid when used.
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    What matters is not how often it is used, but what percentage of the time it is actually valid when used.
    What matters is that the appropriate response is made. Killing the mentally ill is not appropriate.
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    Re: Should We End The Insanity Plea?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    Little known fact: on average, people found not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect spend more time institutionalized than those who receive criminal sentences and often enjoy fewer privileges during their time.
    But who gets the most drugs?

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