View Poll Results: Is alcohol abuse a disability; do you agree or disagree with the EEOC?

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  • I agree alcohol abuse is a disability, I agree with the EEOC position

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  • I agree alcohol abuse is a disability, I disagree with the EEOC position

    3 6.82%
  • I disagree that alcohol abuse is a disability, I agree with the EEOC position

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  • I disagree that alcohol abuse is a disability, I disagree with the EEOC position

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Thread: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    That's very true. At a company I used to work for, drivers had to sign a contract before being hired that said that if they got more than one speeding ticket in a year or if they ever got a drunk driving conviction, they would be summarily terminated. Their insurance company would not insure drivers that had bad driving records, regardless. There were several drivers who were out of a job because of it.
    Neither of those are the same as having a disability. The person suing in this case was not demoted for getting a ticket or being convicted of anything. They were demoted for having a condition. There's a difference.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    True, but by the point an addict seeks treatment, they have usually realized how much their addiction is costing them. That's why they're seeking treatment!

    Given their recognition of the harm their condition has done, I think that most would realize that the benefits of sobriety are worth the costs of demotion, whereas a complete loss of their job might be too much.
    I sincerely doubt it. When your choices are to either keep your yap shut and keep the job you have or be honest and be punished it, most people will opt to keep their yap shut.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I sincerely doubt it. When your choices are to either keep your yap shut and keep the job you have or be honest and be punished it, most people will opt to keep their yap shut.
    That's why employers are not allowed to fire addicts. Your argument is based on the fallacy that the person can be fired. And the fact that many addicts have sought treatment at great cost to themselves indicates that addicts will seek treatment even if it costs them
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    1) It's the EEOC that is suing and that's because, under the law, it's the EEOC that gets first crack at the case. As a result, most disability cases under the ADA are filed by the EEOC.

    2) The company can re-assign people with a disability to another job. It's called a "reasonable accomodation". In this case, the employer can re-assign the alcoholic to a non-driving job.
    I'm sorry, the company owes this guy a job why again?
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I'm sorry, the company owes this guy a job why again?
    I'm sorry, but you think employers should be able to fire people simply because they have a disability and not because they have failed to do their job?

    Should employers be able to fire someone because they got sick? Should employers be able to fire people who have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism (ie they have an alcoholic parent?).
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm sorry, but you think employers should be able to fire people simply because they have a disability and not because they have failed to do their job?

    Should employers be able to fire someone because they got sick? Should employers be able to fire people who have a genetic predisposition to alcoholism (ie they have an alcoholic parent?).
    Alcohol abuse is not a disability.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    You are absolutley correct...which makes me believe there has to be more to this for the govt to be suing...I dont believe once a commerical driver is a caught drunk and admits to being an alcoholic that any Commericial insurer will INSURE them to go back on the road...
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Alcohol abuse is not a disability.
    Under the law, it is
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Under the law, it is
    And isn't that just grand. Sigh...

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Under the law, it is
    So you don't mind sharing the road with an alcoholic truck driver?
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