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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    This is a private company with their own private policies. This could be alcoholism, drug use / abuse or other self administered problem. Second, does a company have a right to put their own policies out especially ones that protect not only their employees but others lives? Think of the lawsuit of a reformed alcoholic who falls off the wagon who was forced to be give the keys by the EEOC policy, who kills a family of three in an accident? Is it a better policy to force the keys back into their hands or is it a better policy to remove that option and keep them employed elsewhere?
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    Look ... while of course from what information is provided that company has a right to restrict a person if they are abusing ETOH while working.

    However, the most curious aspect is that Fox News chose to say it was the Obama administration suing. That is as factual as trying to imply ... it is the speaker of the house suing this company.

    Of course, Fox instead of opening a real discussion on how this ICD dx should be coded and considered for employers ... would instead present such ridiculous opening to their thinly veiled "story" on Obama!

    the Obama administration is suing a trucking company for taking the keys away from an Arkansas driver and eventually firing him after he admitted he was battling alcohol abuse.
    Too freakin' funny ... ! Lets see is it Boener's fault or Obama's ... hey Fox News ... you lost credibility in your first sentence. Of course ... what is lost on the viewer is that most people would agree that this company most likely has a valid case. They present a story most could agree with the premise and yet "present it" as Obama is suing the company.

    Surely FNN is not insulting the 6th grade education level they try to entice as being that stupid!
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    The problem with most of the posts that I see here is that folks do not understand the difference between being an alcoholic and acting on being an alcoholic. Being an alcoholic is not a choice. Acting on being an alcoholic is. In this context, at the bare basics of the issue, alcoholism certainly meets the criteria for being classified as a disease. One does not recover. One is always an alcoholic in recovery.

    It is certainly discriminatory to prevent an alcoholic in recovery from having a job as a driver. I thought, in this country, we gave consequences for behaviors that were done, not behaviors that we think might happen. Further, non-alcoholics can be risk factors to driving while drunk, also. Prohibiting an active alcoholic... or ANYONE who incurs any kind of alcohol-related driving infraction, makes sense. Preventing someone who identifies having been in recovery for a number of years is idiotic.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Is alcohol abuse a disability; do you agree or disagree with the EEOC?

    Being a drunk,junkie, fat ass or any other similar self inflicted condition is not a disability. EEOc should not be hassling companies who are keeping dangerous people off the road.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The problem with most of the posts that I see here is that folks do not understand the difference between being an alcoholic and acting on being an alcoholic. Being an alcoholic is not a choice. Acting on being an alcoholic is. In this context, at the bare basics of the issue, alcoholism certainly meets the criteria for being classified as a disease. One does not recover. One is always an alcoholic in recovery.

    It is certainly discriminatory to prevent an alcoholic in recovery from having a job as a driver. I thought, in this country, we gave consequences for behaviors that were done, not behaviors that we think might happen. Further, non-alcoholics can be risk factors to driving while drunk, also. Prohibiting an active alcoholic... or ANYONE who incurs any kind of alcohol-related driving infraction, makes sense. Preventing someone who identifies having been in recovery for a number of years is idiotic.
    What defines an alcoholic?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    An emotional disorder, yes.. but people get sober all the time and function just fine. So unless they've reached the point of wet brain, no, its not a disability, imo.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What defines an alcoholic?
    Hmmm... how about this. A pattern of compulsive and uncontrolled consumption of alcohol, usually to the detriment of the drinker's health, relationships, and social standing, whereas these things are secondary in nature to the individual's alcohol use. There are some genetic/biological differences, brainwise between an alcoholic and a non-alcoholic. I read a very recent study on this, but I cannot locate it at the present time.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What defines an alcoholic?
    Addiction, of any kind, is not WHAT we use but HOW we use it. Unmanageability is the difference between a social drinker/user and an alcoholic/drug addict. An addict/alcoholics "drug of choice" is "more".
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Hmmm... how about this. A pattern of compulsive and uncontrolled consumption of alcohol, usually to the detriment of the drinker's health, relationships, and social standing, whereas these things are secondary in nature to the individual's alcohol use. There are some genetic/biological differences, brainwise between an alcoholic and a non-alcoholic. I read a very recent study on this, but I cannot locate it at the present time.
    I can see that. I had to give a drunk friend a ride home last night. And it wasn't the first time.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I can see that. I had to give a drunk friend a ride home last night. And it wasn't the first time.
    And it won't be the last... or at least the last time he will ask for one. Unless it was either that or he would get behind the wheel himself, you might want to consider not enabling his behavior. Helping him makes it easier for him to drink.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    And it won't be the last... or at least the last time he will ask for one. Unless it was either that or he would get behind the wheel himself, you might want to consider not enabling his behavior. Helping him makes it easier for him to drink.
    The guy lived within walking distance and he couldn't even walk home. And to say the least I was not exactly thrilled about interrupting my good time of sitting around and BSing with friends.

    So the social thing in your definition definitely applies.

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