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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    Abstract it a bit. Do you think it is a good policy not to allow employers to fire or demote alcoholics who seek treatment and stay off the booze. I mean in general, not just this specific case.
    It's bad policy to allow employers to fire employees who seek treatment for addiction because it will discourage addicts from seeking treatment. The end result will be that the addict will continue to hide their addiction and continue driving which endangers the public safety. Employers should be allowed to shift the employee into a job with the closest similar paying job that they are qualified to do even if that means a pay cut
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's bad policy to allow employers to fire employees who seek treatment for addiction because it will discourage addicts from seeking treatment. The end result will be that the addict will continue to hide their addiction and continue driving which endangers the public safety. Employers should be allowed to shift the employee into a job with the closest similar paying job that they are qualified to do even if that means a pay cut
    in general, I agree with this. However, we are currently discussing a truck driver. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be on the road with an alcoholic who is in control of a semi truck.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    in general, I agree with this. However, we are currently discussing a truck driver. I don't know about you, but I don't want to be on the road with an alcoholic who is in control of a semi truck.
    I guess I wasnt clear enough when I said "Employers should be allwed to shift the employee into a job" I should have said "into another NON-DRIVING job"
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    I'm pissed that I didn't know this over 20 years ago, damn I could have been paid to hang out at the local watering hole.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I'm pissed that I didn't know this over 20 years ago, damn I could have been paid to hang out at the local watering hole.
    No, no. You can't collect disability insurance for being an alcoholic. The policy is just that you can't fire or demote somebody for being an alcoholic if they get treatment and stick with it.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, no. You can't collect disability insurance for being an alcoholic. The policy is just that you can't fire or demote somebody for being an alcoholic if they get treatment and stick with it.
    Yep.

    Sounds silly to actually suggest that one should be fired/demoted for an issue if it's not interfering with their abilities to work, etc.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    When it comes to alcohol and drug abuse, there is from some people a very harsh judgement. That you're somehow doing it because you're a depraved soul. Or you want to be bad and addicted.

    I can tell you it is a road that is as smooth as a quiet country path that leads you to it. It doesn't happen overnight, and its certainly not because you ever mean it.

    Is alcoholism a disability? Legally speaking, and certainly when it comes to workplace dysfunction... I'm afraid I simply cannot comment. That will have to be the judgement of the courts.

    Is alcoholism Debilitating? Absolutely!

    Can an alcoholic be rehabilitated and become just as productive as he was before? Absolutely!

    But it takes a personal choice and will to make it happen. Your workplace that entrusts you to do your duty, especially driving a vehicle that has a potential to kill people, cannot be responsible for your decisions, no matter what reasons lead you to that place.

    In this particular case. If the guy was rehabilitated and could prove it... I think perhaps the trucking company should review its policy, but thats not for me to say, it's a tough call and at the end of the day, if Obamas Limo driver or pilot for air force one had a history of alcoholism... do you think he'd be driving Obama around

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yep.

    Sounds silly to actually suggest that one should be fired/demoted for an issue if it's not interfering with their abilities to work, etc.
    In my opinion, people shouldn't be fired for things in their personal life if they don't interfere with their job performance. But on the flip side, if it is interfering with their job performance, a treatment program isn't necessarily going to make it magically stop. It should be at the discretion of the business.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    No, no. You can't collect disability insurance for being an alcoholic. The policy is just that you can't fire or demote somebody for being an alcoholic if they get treatment and stick with it.
    Turns out you are right. Congress has now prohibited Social Security from paying benefits on the basis of drug addiction or alcoholism, but they used to allow SS to pay for this.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    In my opinion, people shouldn't be fired for things in their personal life if they don't interfere with their job performance. But on the flip side, if it is interfering with their job performance, a treatment program isn't necessarily going to make it magically stop. It should be at the discretion of the business.
    Absolutely. . . common sense in action.

    I never cared about the personal lives of my employees - but I did care about their business functionality and if they didn't function then they didn't have a job.
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