View Poll Results: Is alcohol abuse a disability; do you agree or disagree with the EEOC?

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Thread: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    That's not the problem here. The company wasn't going to fire him.
    The situation, as I understand it, is that they demoted him. But, regardless of the circumstances of this individual case, the bigger issue is whether the policy is a good policy. So far nobody has come up with an argument for why it isn't and I think I've presented several for why it is a good policy. Do you agree or disagree?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    The situation, as I understand it, is that they demoted him. But, regardless of the circumstances of this individual case, the bigger issue is whether the policy is a good policy. So far nobody has come up with an argument for why it isn't and I think I've presented several for why it is a good policy. Do you agree or disagree?
    It's perfectly sane policy to not allow an alcoholic to have the keys to the company truck. He will always be an alcoholic.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It's perfectly sane policy to not allow an alcoholic to have the keys to the company truck. He will always be an alcoholic.
    That's fine. But the policy of not allowing employers to fire or demote alcoholics who seek treatment and stay off the booze. Do you think that is a good policy or a bad policy generally?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Hey, I've got an idea for people with the "disability" of alcohol abuse. It's called man up and exercise a little ****ing self control.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's fine. But the policy of not allowing employers to fire or demote alcoholics who seek treatment and stay off the booze. Do you think that is a good policy or a bad policy generally?
    I think permanently banning them from driving might be taking it a bit overboard. It's perfectly possible to reform. They're perfectly justified in busting his ass until he can unequivocally demonstrate that he's gotten over his problem, though, and the EEOC policy is quite simply retarded. How about this: They let him drive. Then, when he gets into an accident while driving under the influence, they sue the ****ing pants off the EEOC. Maybe that will make them reconsider their position in the future.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    I think permanently banning them from driving might be taking it a bit overboard. It's perfectly possible to reform. They're perfectly justified in busting his ass until he can unequivocally demonstrate that he's gotten over his problem, though, and the EEOC policy is quite simply retarded. How about this: They let him drive. Then, when he gets into an accident while driving under the influence, they sue the ****ing pants off the EEOC. Maybe that will make them reconsider their position in the future.
    Abstract it a bit. Do you think it is a good policy not to allow employers to fire or demote alcoholics who seek treatment and stay off the booze. I mean in general, not just this specific case.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Hey, I've got an idea for people with the "disability" of alcohol abuse. It's called man up and exercise a little ****ing self control.
    Hey look - it's free, too!

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    That's fine. But the policy of not allowing employers to fire or demote alcoholics who seek treatment and stay off the booze. Do you think that is a good policy or a bad policy generally?
    It depends. If a driver pays $65,000 a year and a warehouse job pays $50,000 a year, yes, that's the best they can do. If there is another $65,000 a year position and he's a good employee I would hope that the company would offer that to keep him IF he quits drinking BUT it's none of the governments business to tell a company what job someone must have.

    People get demoted for making bad choices. That's not a place for government.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1Perry View Post
    It depends. If a driver pays $65,000 a year and a warehouse job pays $50,000 a year, yes, that's the best they can do. If there is another $65,000 a year position and he's a good employee I would hope that the company would offer that to keep him IF he quits drinking BUT it's none of the governments business to tell a company what job someone must have.

    People get demoted for making bad choices. That's not a place for government.
    Wow. I actually completely agree with you for a change. What is this madness?
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by atrasicarius View Post
    Wow. I actually completely agree with you for a change. What is this madness?
    According to your list, we would likely agree on many things. Not so on others.

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