View Poll Results: Is alcohol abuse a disability; do you agree or disagree with the EEOC?

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Thread: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    I'd have to see a link. I have a good understanding of mental disorders, and I can relate to self medicating. I will concede that drinking and/or drug use can be (but not always) a co-morbid disorder.
    OK, I can look for a source for you .. it should be noted that anyone who uses drugs to the point of abuse and that use significantly damages their ability to function, those people are considered to have a mental disorder, they are classified under "substance disorders" in the DSM - also the overwhelming majority of known drug users have co-morbid disorders .. I learned this in a class called "treating substance disorders" in graduate school. Remind me to show you a link if I forget

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    I think one of the main problems with this, and there are similar ones for a lot of other issues like entitlement programs, is how do you disprove it? Not to say that the disorder doesn't exist. Rather how do you go about showing someone actually doesn't have the disorder and is claiming it to claim the subsequent protections? The frustration I have seen from most people in my experience is not that some people actually need help and need protections when honestly trying to get them, but over those who game the system. And those latter seem to be more and more every day leaving the truly needy still needing.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    I think one of the main problems with this, and there are similar ones for a lot of other issues like entitlement programs, is how do you disprove it? Not to say that the disorder doesn't exist. Rather how do you go about showing someone actually doesn't have the disorder and is claiming it to claim the subsequent protections? The frustration I have seen from most people in my experience is not that some people actually need help and need protections when honestly trying to get them, but over those who game the system. And those latter seem to be more and more every day leaving the truly needy still needing.
    That makes no sense. The only "protection" gained by being disabled is protection from being fired (or discriminated against) for being disabled. If one is not actually disabled, what need is there to be protected against being fired/discriminated against for being disabled?

    And no one gets any money from the govt simply for being disabled unless they can show serious impairment.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicAdventurer View Post
    OK, I can look for a source for you .. it should be noted that anyone who uses drugs to the point of abuse and that use significantly damages their ability to function, those people are considered to have a mental disorder, they are classified under "substance disorders" in the DSM - also the overwhelming majority of known drug users have co-morbid disorders .. I learned this in a class called "treating substance disorders" in graduate school. Remind me to show you a link if I forget
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Alcoholism is a disease (a self-inflicted one at that). It deserves to be treated like any other mental disoder.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That makes no sense. The only "protection" gained by being disabled is protection from being fired (or discriminated against) for being disabled. If one is not actually disabled, what need is there to be protected against being fired/discriminated against for being disabled?

    And no one gets any money from the govt simply for being disabled unless they can show serious impairment.
    "You're fired because you're late again"

    "You can't fire me. I'm an alcoholic and it's the alcoholism that is making me constantly late for work. That's a disability! I need help."

    Is the worker really an alcoholic or not? As of right now though he qualifies as being disabled as it seems to be indicated on this thread. So how do you disprove it to get rid of a worker who's lazy and wants to cover it up with "alcoholism"? It's sort of like a back injury (or at least how they used to be, not up on all the current medical tech) where it was hard to disprove. Can you fire them if they don't seek treatment or are they still considered not fire-able?

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    "You're fired because you're late again"

    "You can't fire me. I'm an alcoholic and it's the alcoholism that is making me constantly late for work. That's a disability! I need help."

    Is the worker really an alcoholic or not? As of right now though he qualifies as being disabled as it seems to be indicated on this thread. So how do you disprove it to get rid of a worker who's lazy and wants to cover it up with "alcoholism"? It's sort of like a back injury (or at least how they used to be, not up on all the current medical tech) where it was hard to disprove. Can you fire them if they don't seek treatment or are they still considered not fire-able?
    You can't. He has a disability.
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    "You're fired because you're late again"

    "You can't fire me. I'm an alcoholic and it's the alcoholism that is making me constantly late for work. That's a disability! I need help."

    Is the worker really an alcoholic or not? As of right now though he qualifies as being disabled as it seems to be indicated on this thread. So how do you disprove it to get rid of a worker who's lazy and wants to cover it up with "alcoholism"? It's sort of like a back injury (or at least how they used to be, not up on all the current medical tech) where it was hard to disprove. Can you fire them if they don't seek treatment or are they still considered not fire-able?
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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by evanescence View Post
    You can't. He has a disability.
    A little more detail please and read the whole scenario. I have very specific questions and you gave a very generalized answer.

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    Re: Is alcohol abuse a "disability"?

    Quote Originally Posted by maquiscat View Post
    "You're fired because you're late again"

    "You can't fire me. I'm an alcoholic and it's the alcoholism that is making me constantly late for work. That's a disability! I need help."

    Is the worker really an alcoholic or not? As of right now though he qualifies as being disabled as it seems to be indicated on this thread. So how do you disprove it to get rid of a worker who's lazy and wants to cover it up with "alcoholism"? It's sort of like a back injury (or at least how they used to be, not up on all the current medical tech) where it was hard to disprove. Can you fire them if they don't seek treatment or are they still considered not fire-able?
    Alcoholics can be fired for being late whether they are seeking treatment or not
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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